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Old 12-04-2012, 04:49 PM   #251
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It's called playing an INTERIOR line position.
No it's not. It's called playing tackle in a three tackle set. Why is this difficult for you? That is youth football type of simplicity.

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Like Cannon did against Miami for two series and did just fine.
He was the worst player on the field. So yeah call it "just fine" if you want.

Fact is, when Cannon is sitting on the bench when the back-up center (McDonald) is starting a right guard, that pretty much kills the idea the Bill will use Cannon as a guard long term.

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First of all, you've never asked me about it. Secondly, I've provided the link on several occasions. It was discussed several times and provided then as well and he coach was on record as having said it. Sorry if it bursts your bubble about him.
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Yep. And he filled in at Guard during the last game for 2 series (not 2 plays). Fact is that you opened your mouth and made a statement about Rodak that was actually something that Belichick said and Rodak quoted him on. Just because you have a different comprehension of the words used doesn't mean that you are right and everyone else who understand basic english is wrong.
"Marcus Cannon type of discussion" referring to the discussion fans and media had when he was selected. You keep going with your childish insults, I'll keep being right.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:54 PM   #252
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Can Canon's place on the Guard depth chart have to do with our lack of depth at OT? Do you really want to completely write off a player at a position after so few snaps?
Absolutely not. I wrote him off because he's nothing like any guard ever that Belichick has drafted or signed. His bad performance doesn't help, but it's not the main reason.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:10 PM   #253
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No it's not. It's called playing tackle in a three tackle set. Why is this difficult for you? That is youth football type of simplicity.
It's not difficult for me. I understand that he was playing the "interior tackle" position in a 3 Tackle set. It's still an INTERIOR position.



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He was the worst player on the field. So yeah call it "just fine" if you want.

Fact is, when Cannon is sitting on the bench when the back-up center (McDonald) is starting a right guard, that pretty much kills the idea the Bill will use Cannon as a guard long term.
That is your erroneous evaluation. But you keep telling yourself that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Fact is that Cannon is on the bench because he is only other player with extended tackle experience currently. As for McDonald, he's not the only back-up center. Thomas is behind him.

And no, it doesn't kill the idea that Bill will use Cannon as a guard long term. He has to go with what the current situation dictates. They have no one behind Cannon as a back-up Tackle except maybe Zuscevics, who is raw and was just activated. You don't play your primary back-up as a starter, especially when one of your starting Tackles is continuing to battle back issues.



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Thank you for pointing out your inability to actually ASK a question. You didn't ask a question there. You made a statement.

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"Marcus Cannon type of discussion" referring to the discussion fans and media had when he was selected. You keep going with your childish insults, I'll keep being right.
How do you know that is what Belichick was referring to? You don't. It's your opinion. So, please. You aren't right. You're talking out your rear end with nothing to support your claims.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:22 PM   #254
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Absolutely not. I wrote him off because he's nothing like any guard ever that Belichick has drafted or signed. His bad performance doesn't help, but it's not the main reason.
Could you please name the other 350lb O-lineman that BB has drafted or signed? Oh wait. You can't. Because BB had never drafted or signed a 350 lb O-lineman prior to Cannon. So, you're basically making a judgement based on nothing.

BTW, I suggest you go back and watch the game again because Cannon didn't do as poorly as you suggested. But then, you clearly have something against the guy since you are willing to make judgements about him with nothing to support your claims.
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Could you please name the other 350lb O-lineman that BB has drafted or signed? Oh wait. You can't. Because BB had never drafted or signed a 350 lb O-lineman prior to Cannon. So, you're basically making a judgement based on nothing.

BTW, I suggest you go back and watch the game again because Cannon didn't do as poorly as you suggested. But then, you clearly have something against the guy since you are willing to make judgements about him with nothing to support your claims.
The closest BB came to drafting someone physically like Cannon was 6'7" 330# Ryan O'Callahan in 2006. Cannon is physically way outside the mold for a Pats offensive lineman, which begs the question as to why they took him in the first place. Maybe they saw something that caused them to go outside of their normal model. Personally, I wouldn't draw any conclusions just yet as to where Cannon fits - he's a freakish athlete, and he's still too early in his career to make a judgment.

The Pats played Nick Kaczur at RT for 5 years from 2005 to 2009, but they did try him at LG to fill in for Logan Mankins when Mankins held out during training camp in 2010. So I don't think that the fact that the Pats have never played a player at a position means that they aren't willing to try him there if the need arises, or if they think he has more value there. Whether he can be successful is another matter.
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Maybe they saw something that caused them to go outside of their normal model.
Quite simply: how often is a stud collegiate LT like Cannon available in the fifth round? [He gave up zero sacks in 2009, and the entire TCU line gave up just nine sacks in 2010.]
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Quite simply: how often is a stud collegiate LT like Cannon available in the fifth round? [He gave up zero sacks in 2009, and the entire TCU line gave up just nine sacks in 2010.]
True, but the Patriots are the NFL poster child for "system specific" scouting. They wouldn't take a player based on college success if they didn't believe he could fit their system. In spite of Cannon's measurables being way outside their norm, they saw something about him that they not only liked, but also believed fit.
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True, but the Patriots are the NFL poster child for "system specific" scouting. They wouldn't take a player based on college success if they didn't believe he could fit their system. In spite of Cannon's measurables being way outside their norm, they saw something about him that they not only liked, but also believed fit.
Perhaps they've been reevaluating what is necessary and therefore what is a "fit". Tons of teams would eliminate Russell Wilson because of his height but it doesnt seem to be an issue for him, new information should prompt someone to reevaluate their current paradigm.
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Quite simply: how often is a stud collegiate LT like Cannon available in the fifth round? [He gave up zero sacks in 2009, and the entire TCU line gave up just nine sacks in 2010.]
His lymphoma diagnosis might have pushed him down a few rounds.
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His lymphoma diagnosis might have pushed him down a few rounds.
How bout it? Let's not re-invent the wheel. A top 50 prospect fell to 138.
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