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1 ~ 2nd Rounder SS Tavon Wilson, whatever he becomes, was a bad Pick, considering who was available.
2 ~ 3rd Rounder EL Jake Bequette, however, was a brilliant Pick.
3 ~ And 7th Rounder CB Alfonzo Dennard was a flat out Steal.
Beefalo Buffaloes ~ B-
1 ~ A very average Draft, but snagging OC David Snow as a UFA was a Coup.
2 ~ QB Aaron Corp ~ another UFA ~ has exceptional Potential, as well.
Miami Dolphins ~ F
1 ~ I like QB Ryan TanneHill, but spending #8 on a red-raw Scrambler was insanely stupid.
2 ~ Spending #42 on OT Jon Martin was, incredibly, even stupider. He may overcome, but he is a risky Bet.
3 ~ Investing #72 in DE Olivier Vernon was also a big stretch for a Prospect of dubious...Prospects.
New York Jets ~ B-
1 ~ DE Quint Coples, in Round 1, was an awful risk to take: Talented, he is, but his Work Ethic is in doubt.
2 ~ MF DeMario Davis in Round 3, on the other hand, was a beautifull move.
3 ~ Where the Jets really racked it up, though, was in UFA Land!! This haul was magnificent:
4 ~ DT Damon Harrison.
5 ~ CB Ryan Steed.
6 ~ DE Brett Roy.
7 ~ QB Gary Joe Kinne.
8 ~ OG John Cullen.
9 ~ Between them, they turned this Draft from a "D" all the way into a "B", in my view!!
Baltimore Ravens ~ C+
1 ~ Spending a 2nd Rounder on OT Kelechi Osemele was a dubious move, given his spotty Work Ethic.
2 ~ Gotta love the investments in OT Jim Carmon and DT's Nick Baptiste and Ishma Kitchen, though!!
Cincinnati Bengals ~ D
1 ~ CB Dre KirkPatrick should make a tremendous Free Safety ~ a bit of a Reach, in Round 1.
2 ~ OG Kevin Zeitler is an exceptionally unexceptional O Guard ~ an horrible choice in Round 1.
3 ~ DT Devon Still is a talented Lineman of dubious Motivation ~ a big Risk, in Round 2, despite his "Value".
CleveLand Browns ~ B-
1 ~ While drafting O Backs before the 3rd is usually stupid, XB Trent Richardson is Priceless.
2 ~ Drafting QB Brando Weeden in Round 1 was actually a solid move, if you ask me.
PittsBurgh Steelers ~ A+!!
1 ~ OG Dave DeCastro at #24 was magnificent. He was #2 on my Board.
2 ~ DT Alameda Taamu at #109 was a steal. He could be the Lynch Pin of a Defense for a long, long time.
3 ~ OG Kelvin Beachum at #248 was incredible: He's a 2nd or 3rd Round Value.
4 ~ The Steelers raked it, this year. They absolutely raked it.
Denver Broncos ~ B-
1 ~ The Broncos had a remarkably unremarkable Draft...but UFA OG Wayne Tribue is an outstanding Prospect!!
Kansas City Chiefs ~ C
1 ~ DT Dontari Poe is a phenomenal Athlete, and a terrifying Prospect ~ a nightmarishly foolish Risk at #11!!
2 ~ The rest of their Draft was very nicely done, though, all the way through.
OakLand Raiders ~ B
1 ~ Their Draft was unremarkable, but scooping up these UFA's was outstanding:
2 ~ WB Derek Carrier.
3 ~ FS Aaron Henry.
4 ~ DE Dominique Hamilton.
Sand Diego Lightning Bolts ~ C+
1 ~ The Most Average Draft Class In The AFC.
Houston Planet Hoostens ~ C
1 ~ For my money, DE Whitney Mercilus was one of the riskiest Picks in the entire Draft.
2 ~ Some of their other moves were pretty nice, but not enough to offset that one.
Indianapolis Colts ~ A+!!
1 ~ QB Andrew Luck, as obvious as the move was, was still an awesome move.
2 ~ WB Coby Fleener was a terrific Pick at #34, an extremely dangerous Weapon.
3 ~ WB Dwayne Allen at #64, compounded with Fleener at #34, was a phenomenal move.
4 ~ SL Ty Hilton at #92 was outstanding ~ one of the most explosive Slot Ends in an amazing Slot End Class.
5 ~ NT Josh Chapman at #136 was an incredible Bargain!!
JacksonVille Jaguars ~ B
1 ~ The Jaguars had a pretty tame Draft, but racked it up nicely in the UFA's with some solid 2nd Tier Talent.
Tennessee Titans ~ C
1 ~ #20 could've been spent a lot more wisely than on FL Kendall Wright, if you ask me.
New York Giants ~ B-
1 ~ Not very noteworthy, but snagging OT Matt McCants in the 6th Round was pretty sweet!!
Dallas CowBoys ~ B
1 ~ Ordinary Draft, but a lot of intriguing UFA's: DE Adrian Hamilton, OG Ron Leary, OT Jeff Adams, others.
Philadelphia Eagles ~ B
1 ~ Every single Pick was solid.
Washington RedSkins ~ F!!
1 ~ As much as I like QB Robert Griffin, I thought that that was an utterly hideous trade they made...Hideous.
Chicago Bears ~ C
1 ~ SE Alshon Jeffrey at #45 was a pretty horrible move.
2 ~ WB Evan Rodriguez at #111, on the other hand, was brilliant.
Detriot Lions ~ B
1 ~ Not much to tell, otherwise, but snatching QB Kellen Moore as a UFA is The Steal Of The Draft!!
Green Bay Packers ~ B-
1 ~ Pretty unremarkable, but grabbing SE Dale Moss as a UFA tips the scales, in my Book.
Minnesota Vikings ~ B
1 ~ Stealing SL Jarius Wright in the 4th Round, all by itself, makes this a strong Class for the Vikings!!
Arizona Cardinals ~ A!!
1 ~ Snatching CB Jamell Fleming at #80 was a terrific steal!!
2 ~ Grabbing OG Senio Kelemete at # 151 was a magnificent steal!!
3 ~ Scooping OT Nate Potter at #221 was an excellent steal!!
4 ~ Swiping MF Zach Nash as a UFA was a remarkable steal!!
Los Angeles Rams ~ B
1 ~ Yes. LA. I can no longer pretend that they're not the LA Rams.
2 ~ I like SE Brian Quick, but at #33?? HELL, no.
3 ~ SB Isiaiah Pead at #50??? HELL, no.
4 ~ CB Trumaine Johnson at #65??? NOW you're talking.
5 ~ SB Daryl Richardson at #252 was pretty beautifull, as well.
6 ~ The bad 2nd Rounders aside, their rape of the RedSkins was EPIC...and their Trade Backs were sweet.
San Fransisco Miners ~ D!!
1 ~ FL AJ Jenkins at #30??? REALLY???
2 ~ SB LaMichael James at #61??? OK, seriously: Where's the Camera???
3 ~ DE Cam Johnson at #237 WAS a Steal, though.
Seattle SeaHawks ~ C
1 ~ MF Bruce Irvin at #15 was a Reach...NOT!!!
2 ~ QB Russell Wilson at #75 WAS a Reach...No punch line!!
Atlanta Falcons ~ C+
1 ~ The Most Average Draft in the NFC.
Carolina Panthers ~ A-!!
1 ~ MF Luke Kuechly, even at #11, was an excellent move.
2 ~ And OG Amini Silatolu, even at #40, was a great move.
3 ~ And CB Josh Norman at #143 was a Steal.
New Orleans Saints ~ B-
1 ~ Not much to say, but I like the DE Akiem Hicks move at #89. Could be a BEAST.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers ~ B+
1 ~ MF LaVonte David at #58?? Even having traded a 4th to move up that is a Major Coup!!
2 ~ XB Michael Smith at #212??? STEAL!!!
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3 ~ Where the Jets really racked it up, though, was in UFA Land!! This haul was magnificent:
9 ~ Between them, they turned this Draft from a "D" all the way into a "B", in my view!!
You either count it for everyone, or for no one.
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1 ~ 2nd Rounder SS Tavon Wilson, whatever he becomes, was a bad Pick, considering who was available.
2 ~ 3rd Rounder EL Jake Bequette, however, was a brilliant Pick.
3 ~ And 7th Rounder CB Alfonzo Dennard was a flat out Steal.
Beefalo Buffaloes ~ B-
1 ~ A very average Draft, but snagging OC David Snow as a UFA was a Coup.
2 ~ QB Aaron Corp ~ another UFA ~ has exceptional Potential, as well.
Miami Dolphins ~ F
1 ~ I like QB Ryan TanneHill, but spending #8 on a red-raw Scrambler was insanely stupid.
2 ~ Spending #42 on OT Jon Martin was, incredibly, even stupider. He may overcome, but he is a risky Bet.
3 ~ Investing #72 in DE Olivier Vernon was also a big stretch for a Prospect of dubious...Prospects.
New York Jets ~ B-
1 ~ DE Quint Coples, in Round 1, was an awful risk to take: Talented, he is, but his Work Ethic is in doubt.
2 ~ MF DeMario Davis in Round 3, on the other hand, was a beautifull move.
3 ~ Where the Jets really racked it up, though, was in UFA Land!! This haul was magnificent:
4 ~ DT Damon Harrison.
5 ~ CB Ryan Steed.
6 ~ DE Brett Roy.
7 ~ QB Gary Joe Kinne.
8 ~ OG John Cullen.
9 ~ Between them, they turned this Draft from a "D" all the way into a "B", in my view!!
Baltimore Ravens ~ C+
1 ~ Spending a 2nd Rounder on OT Kelechi Osemele was a dubious move, given his spotty Work Ethic.
2 ~ Gotta love the investments in OT Jim Carmon and DT's Nick Baptiste and Ishma Kitchen, though!!
Cincinnati Bengals ~ D
1 ~ CB Dre KirkPatrick should make a tremendous Free Safety ~ a bit of a Reach, in Round 1.
2 ~ OG Kevin Zeitler is an exceptionally unexceptional O Guard ~ an horrible choice in Round 1.
3 ~ DT Devon Still is a talented Lineman of dubious Motivation ~ a big Risk, in Round 2, despite his "Value".
CleveLand Browns ~ B-
1 ~ While drafting O Backs before the 3rd is usually stupid, XB Trent Richardson is Priceless.
2 ~ Drafting QB Brando Weeden in Round 1 was actually a solid move, if you ask me.
PittsBurgh Steelers ~ A+!!
1 ~ OG Dave DeCastro at #24 was magnificent. He was #2 on my Board.
2 ~ DT Alameda Taamu at #109 was a steal. He could be the Lynch Pin of a Defense for a long, long time.
3 ~ OG Kelvin Beachum at #248 was incredible: He's a 2nd or 3rd Round Value.
4 ~ The Steelers raked it, this year. They absolutely raked it.
Denver Broncos ~ B-
1 ~ The Broncos had a remarkably unremarkable Draft...but UFA OG Wayne Tribue is an outstanding Prospect!!
Kansas City Chiefs ~ C
1 ~ DT Dontari Poe is a phenomenal Athlete, and a terrifying Prospect ~ a nightmarishly foolish Risk at #11!!
2 ~ The rest of their Draft was very nicely done, though, all the way through.
OakLand Raiders ~ B
1 ~ Their Draft was unremarkable, but scooping up these UFA's was outstanding:
2 ~ WB Derek Carrier.
3 ~ FS Aaron Henry.
4 ~ DE Dominique Hamilton.
Sand Diego Lightning Bolts ~ C+
1 ~ The Most Average Draft Class In The AFC.
Houston Planet Hoostens ~ C
1 ~ For my money, DE Whitney Mercilus was one of the riskiest Picks in the entire Draft.
2 ~ Some of their other moves were pretty nice, but not enough to offset that one.
Indianapolis Colts ~ A+!!
1 ~ QB Andrew Luck, as obvious as the move was, was still an awesome move.
2 ~ WB Coby Fleener was a terrific Pick at #34, an extremely dangerous Weapon.
3 ~ WB Dwayne Allen at #64, compounded with Fleener at #34, was a phenomenal move.
4 ~ SL Ty Hilton at #92 was outstanding ~ one of the most explosive Slot Ends in an amazing Slot End Class.
5 ~ NT Josh Chapman at #136 was an incredible Bargain!!
JacksonVille Jaguars ~ B
1 ~ The Jaguars had a pretty tame Draft, but racked it up nicely in the UFA's with some solid 2nd Tier Talent.
Tennessee Titans ~ C
1 ~ #20 could've been spent a lot more wisely than on FL Kendall Wright, if you ask me.
New York Giants ~ B-
1 ~ Not very noteworthy, but snagging OT Matt McCants in the 6th Round was pretty sweet!!
Dallas CowBoys ~ B
1 ~ Ordinary Draft, but a lot of intriguing UFA's: DE Adrian Hamilton, OG Ron Leary, OT Jeff Adams, others.
Philadelphia Eagles ~ B
1 ~ Every single Pick was solid.
Washington RedSkins ~ F!!
1 ~ As much as I like QB Robert Griffin, I thought that that was an utterly hideous trade they made...Hideous.
Chicago Bears ~ C
1 ~ SE Alshon Jeffrey at #45 was a pretty horrible move.
2 ~ WB Evan Rodriguez at #111, on the other hand, was brilliant.
Detriot Lions ~ B
1 ~ Not much to tell, otherwise, but snatching QB Kellen Moore as a UFA is The Steal Of The Draft!!
Green Bay Packers ~ B-
1 ~ Pretty unremarkable, but grabbing SE Dale Moss as a UFA tips the scales, in my Book.
Minnesota Vikings ~ B
1 ~ Stealing SL Jarius Wright in the 4th Round, all by itself, makes this a strong Class for the Vikings!!
Arizona Cardinals ~ A!!
1 ~ Snatching CB Jamell Fleming at #80 was a terrific steal!!
2 ~ Grabbing OG Senio Kelemete at # 151 was a magnificent steal!!
3 ~ Scooping OT Nate Potter at #221 was an excellent steal!!
4 ~ Swiping MF Zach Nash as a UFA was a remarkable steal!!
Los Angeles Rams ~ B
1 ~ Yes. LA. I can no longer pretend that they're not the LA Rams.
2 ~ I like SE Brian Quick, but at #33?? HELL, no.
3 ~ SB Isiaiah Pead at #50??? HELL, no.
4 ~ CB Trumaine Johnson at #65??? NOW you're talking.
5 ~ SB Daryl Richardson at #252 was pretty beautifull, as well.
6 ~ The bad 2nd Rounders aside, their rape of the RedSkins was EPIC...and their Trade Backs were sweet.
San Fransisco Miners ~ D!!
1 ~ FL AJ Jenkins at #30??? REALLY???
2 ~ SB LaMichael James at #61??? OK, seriously: Where's the Camera???
3 ~ DE Cam Johnson at #237 WAS a Steal, though.
Seattle SeaHawks ~ C
1 ~ MF Bruce Irvin at #15 was a Reach...NOT!!!
2 ~ QB Russell Wilson at #75 WAS a Reach...No punch line!!
Atlanta Falcons ~ C+
1 ~ The Most Average Draft in the NFC.
Carolina Panthers ~ A-!!
1 ~ MF Luke Kuechly, even at #11, was an excellent move.
2 ~ And OG Amini Silatolu, even at #40, was a great move.
3 ~ And CB Josh Norman at #143 was a Steal.
New Orleans Saints ~ B-
1 ~ Not much to say, but I like the DE Akiem Hicks move at #89. Could be a BEAST.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers ~ B+
1 ~ MF LaVonte David at #58?? Even having traded a 4th to move up that is a Major Coup!!
2 ~ XB Michael Smith at #212??? STEAL!!!
Tampa Bay a B+? Doug Martin + Lavonte David = Mayoclinic's dream draft. That gets them an at least an A- from me for best draft. And Greg Schiano is a BB acolyte at that. He's drafting guys who are tough, high character, high motor leaders. I thought Mark Barron at 7 was a reach, but he will certainly provide defensive leadership.
I give the Pats a B/B+. Chandler Jones + Dont'a Hightower = immediate impact on defensive and a much more playmaking character. And I love Alfonzo Dennard's (there's a little bit of honey badger in him) and Nate Ebner's upside.
My least favorite moves of the draft:
- The Jets getting DeMario Davis. Ouch. Rex Ryan's comparisons to Ray Lewis are obviously premature hyperbole, but Davis could be a special player, and is a great character/leadership pick. Hopefully he'll be drowned out by Santonio Holmes, Bart Scott and the rest.
- David DeCastro and Alameda Ta'amu to the Steelers. I know that DeCastro falling helped us in some ways. And Jones will probably have more impact for us than DeCastro would have had. But Pouncey + DeCastro on the same interior line? That's a wet dream. Hate to see the Steelers with a line like that. And Ta'amu was a steal for them in the 4th round.
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Tampa Bay a B+? Doug Martin + Lavonte David = Mayoclinic's dream draft. That gets them an at least an A- from me for best draft. And Greg Schiano is a BB acolyte at that. He's drafting guys who are tough, high character, high motor leaders. I thought Mark Barron at 7 was a reach, but he will certainly provide defensive leadership.
I give the Pats a B/B+. Chandler Jones + Dont'a Hightower = immediate impact on defensive and a much more playmaking character. And I love Alfonzo Dennard's (there's a little bit of honey badger in him) and Nate Ebner's upside.
My least favorite moves of the draft:
- The Jets getting DeMario Davis. Ouch. Rex Ryan's comparisons to Ray Lewis are obviously premature hyperbole, but Davis could be a special player, and is a great character/leadership pick. Hopefully he'll be drowned out by Santonio Holmes, Bart Scott and the rest.
- David DeCastro and Alameda Ta'amu to the Steelers. I know that DeCastro falling helped us in some ways. And Jones will probably have more impact for us than DeCastro would have had. But Pouncey + DeCastro on the same interior line? That's a wet dream. Hate to see the Steelers with a line like that. And Ta'amu was a steal for them in the 4th round.
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Yeah, the O Line moves the Steelers made were stunning.
OG Dave DeCastro
OT Mike Adams
OG Kelvin Beachum
All in 1 Draft Class!!!
Put them with OC Marquis De Pouncey, give them some time to gel...and watch OUT!!
I agree with you on the Colts. There's no way they could address all their needs in one go so they made Luck as comfortable as possible by giving him his TE orientated offense that he's used to and by getting arguably the most reliable player for that key 3-4 position, the NT. Very smart drafting.
The Bucs, with their first three picks, had close to my dream draft in Barron, Martin, David. I'd have been thrilled if those were our first three picks. I'm less excited by their middle rounders but then one of their first UDFA's was Leonard Johnson. Potentially genius.
Agree with you on the Cards. Three OL's to address their needs, Jamell Fleming will be a really good pick and a QB with upside for the long-term.
Really surprised and disappointed with the Broncos draft. for a team expected to be in "win-now" mode their haul does not have anyone you think will be a "win-now" contributor for certain.
OTG, I can't get on board with crediting UDFAs as part of the draft grade. IMO draft grades are about how teams spend their draft capital with an eye toward upgrading their rosters. UDFA pickups tend to be more about where agents think their undrafted clients have the best chance of sticking.
Goes to show how much is in the eye of the beholder.
The draft class I thought was hands down the best was Cincinnati, and you gave them a D. I liked all their picks, every single one. And there were a lot of them, too.
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OTG, I can't get on board with crediting UDFAs as part of the draft grade. IMO draft grades are about how teams spend their draft capital with an eye toward upgrading their rosters. UDFA pickups tend to be more about where agents think their undrafted clients have the best chance of sticking.
While that's certainly part of it I also think the team needs to pursue and sell themselves to the player in order to make a deal happen. I'm still angry we didnt sign James Brown.
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Goes to show how much is in the eye of the beholder.
The draft class I thought was hands down the best was Cincinnati, and you gave them a D. I liked all their picks, every single one. And there were a lot of them, too.
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