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jrfitz06

I want to start off by saying im not a huge fan of brockers or ingram now if you could put the skills of ingram into brockers body that would be one hell of a player, but i do understand the importance of impact players on defense. Which got me doing some research and i found that 49 players have been named to the AP All-Pro team in the last 6 years from the defensive line and linebacker positions. 68% have been from the first round of the draft and 57% have been from the top 15 picks in the draft. Excluding Repeat players 62.5% have been from the first round and 50% have been from the top 15 picks. This proves that it is very difficult to find an impact defensive front 7 player unless you are in the top half of the first round draft. Compared to the offensive which has 36 players have been named to the AP All-Pro team in the last 6 years from the QB,RB,WR, and TE positions. 53% have been from the first round of the draft and 31% have been from the top 15 picks in the draft. Excluding Repeat players 52% have been from the first round and 24% have been from the top 15 picks. After seeing this pattern I would be inclined to trade-up into the first half of the draft for the right player.

2011
Jared Allen Rd 4 Pick 126
Haloti Ngata Rd 1 Pick 12
Jason P-Paul Rd 1 Pick 15
Justin Smith Rd 1 Pick 4
Terrell Suggs Rd 1 Pick 10
DeMarcus Ware Rd 1 Pick 11
Patrick Willis Rd 1 Pick 11
Derrick Johnson Rd 1 Pick 15
NaVorro Bowman Rd 3 Pick 91

2010
Julius Peppers Rd 1 Pick 2
John Abraham Rd 1 Pick 13
*Haloti Ngata Rd 1 Pick 12
N Suh Rd 1 Pick 2
Clay Matthews Rd 1 Pick 26
James Harrison UNDRAFTED
*Patrick Willis Rd 1 Pick 11
Jerod Mayo Rd 1 Pick 10

2009
*Jared Allen Rd 4 Pick 126
Dwight Freeny Rd 1 Pick 11
Kevin Williams Rd 1 Pick 9
Jay Ratliff Rd 7 Pick 224
*DeMarcus Ware Rd 1 Pick 11
Elvis Dumervil Rd 4 Pick 126
*Patrick Willis Rd 1 Pick 11
Ray Lewis Rd 1 Pick 26

2008
Justin Tuck Rd 3 Pick 74
*Jared Allen Rd 4 Pick 126
*Kevin Williams Rd 1 Pick 9
Albert Hworth Rd 1 Pick 15
*DeMarcus Ware Rd 1 Pick 11
*James Harrison UNDRAFTED
*Ray Lewis Rd 1 Pick 26
Jon Beason Rd 1 Pick 25

2007
*Jared Allen Rd 4 Pick 126
Patrick Kerney Rd 1 Pick 30
*Kevin Williams Rd 1 Pick 9
*Albert Hworth Rd 1 Pick 15
*DeMarcus Ware Rd 1 Pick 11
Mike Vrabel Rd 3 Pick 91
*Patrick Willis Rd 1 Pick 11
Lofa Tatupu Rd 2 Pick 45

2006
Jason Taylor Rd 3 Pick 73
*Julius Peppers Rd 1 Pick 2
Jamal Williams SD
*Kevin Williams Rd 1 Pick 9
Brian Urlacher Rd 1 Pick 9
Zach Thomas Rd 5 Pick 154
Adalius Thomas Rd 6 Pick 186
Shawn Merriman Rd 1 Pick 12

* Previous All-Pro

Total (excluding duplicates)
Rd 1 Top 16
Rd 1 Bottom 4
Rd 2 1
Rd 3 4
Rd 4 2
Rd 5 1
Rd 6 1
RD 7 1
SD 1
UD 1

Players with multiple selections
Rd 1 Top 12
Rd 1 Bottom 1
RD 4 3
UD 1

2011
Aaron Rodgers Rd 1 Pick 24
Maurice JonesDrew Rd 2 Pick 60
LeSean McCoy Rd 2 Pick 53
Rob Gronkowski Rd 2 Pick 42
Calvin Johnson Rd 1 Pick 2
Wes Welker UNDRAFTED

2010
Tom Brady Rd 6 Pick 199
Arian Foster UNDRAFTED
Jamaal Charles Rd 3 Pick 73
Roddy White Rd 1 Pick 27
Reggie Wayne Rd 1 Pick 30
Jason Witten Rd 3 Pick 69

2009
Peyton Manning Rd 1 Pick 1
Chris Johnson Rd 1 Pick 24
Adrian Peterson Rd 1 Pick 7
Andre Johnson Rd 1 Pick 3
*Wes Welker UNDRAFTED
Dallas Clark Rd 1 Pick 24

2008
*Peyton Manning Rd 1 Pick 1
*Adrian Peterson Rd 1 Pick 7
Micheal Turner Rd 5 Pick 154
*Andre Johnson Rd 1 Pick 3
Larry Fitzgerald Rd 1 Pick 3
Tony Gonzalez Rd 1 Pick 13

2007
*Tom Brady Rd 6 Pick 199
L Tomlinson Rd 1 Pick 5
Brian Westbrook Rd 3 Pick 91
Randy Moss Rd 1 Pick 21
Terrell Owen Rd 3 Pick 89
*Jason Witten Rd 3 Pick 69

2006
Drew Brees Rd 2 Pick 32
*L Tomlinson Rd 1 Pick 5
Larry Johnson Rd 1 Pick 27
Marvin Harrison Rd 1 Pick 19
Chad Johnson Rd 2 Pick 36
Antonio Gates UNDRAFTED

* Previous All-Pro

Total (excluding players with multiple selections)
Rd 1 Top 7
Rd 1 Bottom 8
Rd 2 5
Rd 3 4
Rd 4 0
Rd 5 1
Rd 6 1
Rd 7 0
UD 3

Players with multiple selections
Rd 1 Top 4
Rd 3 1
Rd 6 1
UD 1

MrNathanDrake

If ninkovich can play as many snaps as he does, clay would play just as many here.

heck, he could probably even start at safety for us lol

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Hercules Rockefeller

Hey no fair hahaha, his dad would start at safety for the Pats right now! Heck, his uncle Bruce was versatile on the OL---I bet he'd get it done in the secondary!

ATippett56

If Brockers fell to the #25 overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, I would definitely entertain trading up with the #31 overall pick and the #93 overall pick.

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Mock Draft by Charlie Campbell

#25 720 points
#31 600 points
#93 128 points

Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

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How many of those players were on a team that won a Superbowl? How is it that a team could win it all with so few Pro-bowlers?

Hint: It's not about getting pro-bowl players, it's about forging pro-bowl caliber teams.

I actually don't want any guys on my team to go to the Pro-bowl, that just means they'll want more money, I want the team to win games.

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jrfitz06

so your telling me that if could go back in time and had the opportunity to select demarcus ware or jared allen that you wouldn't just because they are going to be pro bowlers and cost a lot of money????....TALENT wins games

rookBoston

I've always laughed off all the talk of the Pats trading up. The rumor has been around for a few weeks.

Just for fun, in a prior thread that posted the question "who would you target", Ingram was my pick for the guy most desirable in the top-10. The guy is so versatile... BB loves that more than anything. True football players. I've posted my opinion on Ingram before, wont do it again here. To me, the question isn't whether BB would want Ingram on the team, but at what cost.

The idea that BB would trade both first rounders for Ingram doesn't fit. BB works too hard to accumulate 1sts to throw them around. There was a lot of press coverage of an conversation between BB and Tim Dimitroff after Atlanta traded all those picks for Julio Jones. BB felt it was too much to give up for one guy. Belichick advised against Julio Jones trade - NFC South Blog - ESPN. So, no chance that he would do something like that himself.

But, I also have to concede that Ingram was not invited to Foxboro under the misconception that Ingram is going to somehow drop into the 20s. Impossible. And further, BB would not waste his time meeting a guy he has absolutely no shot at.

So, I'm starting to come around to the idea that maybe a trade-up is possible. It would have to be on terms that BB already feels comfortable with. What if there is a team looking to trade down, and has asked for trade value that BB already knows he is willing to give up.

What about this as a theory. The Pats were dangling Hoyer as an RFA for a 2nd, and KC was an interested party. That conversation could easily have drifted into discussion around whether the Pats would be interested in the #11 pick.

Suppose BBs friend Pioli was willing to give up #11 for a first, a second and some players? Let's call it #27, #63, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Wendell. Two backups for us that can be starters for the Chiefs. KC gets credible depth on the interior line that they need. They get QB depth that they need. The #27 could be Nick Perry and #63 could be Bobby Wagner. That's four good players that can contribute for the Chiefs on both sides of the ball.

The thing that makes it work, the deal is pretty damn affordable for the Pats. Hoyer is going to walk next year anyway, and we have Mallett on the roster already. Wendell has started for us before, and we have options along the interior line, including bringing Koppen back for his sunset years. And, best of all, it doesn't cost us both first rounders.

I could probably paint a similar scenario around the Dolphins at #8. Cleveland at #4 is not viable, but Cleveland might trade down from #22 for considerations which include Hoyer. (Maybe that's where the Brockers rumors are coming from)

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ATippett56

Sorry but I personally feel that Ricky Stanzi is a better long term prospect than Brian Hoyer.

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