patfanken

I hope you aren't an accountant, because your numbers don't add up. Because if they did you would have to name me the 11 busts that came out of the 2nd round.....and you CAN'T because they don't exist. A lot of those 2nd rounders were used in trades for players and future picks (ie Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski) But that's alright. Bernie Madoff thought your "accounting" was just fine

I also find it interesting that you are willing to use our very limited resources to select 2 of the riskiest boom or bust choices on the board.

Ingram is just 6'1 and has very short arms. He'd fit fine in the Steelers D, but ours? He also plays a position that requires a couple of years to mature. Do you want again to waste multiple assets to got after a guy who (even if he is a great player) won't be much more than a situational rusher for a couple of years.

Brockers could just as easily be Jonathan Sullivan as Richard Seymour. He is without doubt a project and could just as easily slip out of the first round and probably should. He's going to need at least a couple of years to mature. My god DBs out bench him...and at best at the end of his development he's more likely to be Ty Warren than Richard Seymour....and THAT's if you're lucky.

I'm all for trading up. I'm guessing only 4 draft picks make this team, so its fine with me. This is the year to do it. This is the year we should be trading up or out into 2013. HOWEVER if we are going to use those limited assets to move up, we should be doing it for players who are "sure things" at least as far as the draft goes. A player who is likely to have an immediate impact as a starter or in a rotation. NOT 2 players who are just as likely to be busts as hits....and even if they are hits, need time to develop. Remember you only can control these guys for 4 years. You don't want to be training guys who will play the best years of their career for ANOTHER team.

MrNathanDrake

Its possible but not probable. He won't be there at 27. So we would have to trade up at least a few spots to get him. I see him going from 20-22, but possibly much higher.

We passed up on Brooks Reed, Jabaal Sheard, Justin Houstin, Sam Acho.

ALL of them had very good rookie seasons as 34 OLB.

We passed some of those guys for a Back up QB, 3rd down back, and an injury prone CB who sat out the whole season with an injury. It makes BB and the Front office look silly.

I'm not getting my hopes up since I think Ingram will go in the Top 10, but obviously BB wouldn't be wasting his time meeting with Ingram if there wasn't some interest.

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BelichickFan

No, Sheard played 4-3 DE.

MrNathanDrake

Learn how to interpret, smart ass.

15 picks in the 2nd and 3rd combined is obviously was what meant.


Since 2006, here are our 2nd and 3rd draft picks.....



2006
2nd - Chad Jackson - BUST
3rd - David Thomas - BUST

2007
Didn't draft anyone in the 2nd or 3rd

2008
2nd - Terrence Wheatley - BUST
3rd - Shawn Crable - BUST
3rd - Kevin O'Connell - BUST

2009
2nd - Patrick Chung - good
2nd - Ron Brace - BUST
2nd - Darius Butler - BUST
2nd - Sebastion Vollmer - good
3rd - Brandon Tate - BUST
3rd - Tyrone McKenzie - BUST

2010
2nd - Rob Gronkowski - good
2nd - Jermaine Cunningham - BUST
2nd - Brandon Spikes - good
3rd - Taylor Price - BUST

Some might argue that David Thomas wasn't a bust, but he certainly was a bust on the Pats. We ended up trading him for a 7th round pick a couple years after he was drafted. And while Brandon Tate was somewhat decent, we eventually released him for nothing after only 2 seasons. He didn't even finish his rookie contract.


Do the math genius... That's 15 picks, and only 4 that turned out well.

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Sciz

And Reed and Acho played in completely different 3-4 schemes. The only one who played in a similar scheme was Houston, and the Pats had 3 guys with more sacks than he did last season.

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MrNathanDrake

Not many teams play identical schemes. Reed and Acho proved they can play 3-4 OLB. Enough said.

Houston was a rookie. and 2 of those guys who had more sacks than Houston are NO LONGER ON THE TEAM.

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Snake Eyes

The jury is not out on those players.

Mallett may turn into a stud or he may become trade bait, but I rather doubt anyone had expectations immediately after Mallett was drafted that he’d be doing anything other than holding a clipboard a year later so I don't why you're raising a fuss about that pick.

Regarding Vareen, people seem to assume he’s only a 3rd down back because he can catch the ball very well, if he couldn’t catch people would say he’s only a 1st and 2nd down back. He’s an every down back.

As far as Ras-I, he’s been injured but has also looked awesome when he did play, he might turn into a stud with the expectation that he’d redshirt a year.

I rather doubt BB gives a rats ass how he looks, he’s going to make the decisions he thinks are best. This doesn’t mean I always agree with his decisions but fully support his reasons for making them, caring about what people think of him are not among them.

The info BB gets might be used to qualify Ingram at a certain value, it may also be used if/when we ever go up against Ingram on another team. It can also be used in assessing their own evaluation process and skill.

As far as sending information, does the fact that BB has Ingram to Foxboro change Ingram’s market value? Would Tebow have still gone in the 1st round if we hadn’t brought him by twice? Might hosting a high profile player like Ingram overshadow BB hosting a lesser known player, making it less likely that the Foxboro visit increases the value of that sleeper player?

I really don’t think you can presume much from the fact that BB has someone over.

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Off The Grid

Sorry, my friend, but I've got to call FAIL!! on this one!!

Next time, I suggest that you actually write what you supposedly meant ~ instead of editing it AFTER you've been busted on a false statement!! ~ rather than depending on others to put on their Schwami Hats and "learn how to interpret" your fact-retardant posts!! Just Sayin!!

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MrNathanDrake

What are you talking about? I didn't edit anything there.


The fact is we've had 15 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds combined, and only 4 have turned out to be good players.

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Oh?

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