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Old 04-06-2008, 01:53 AM   #1
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I am projecting the Patriots trade no. 7 overall to the Cincinnati Bengals for the no.9 overall and the no.77 overall. The Patriots actually "win" this trade on the draft value chart giving up 1500pts but getting back 1555pts. The reason I believe this trade is realistic is that the drop off between Sedrick Ellis (who the Bengals will take at no.7) and the next available DT is huge. The Saints also want Ellis and pick just one spot below the Bengals at no.10. The Bengals know that if they don't move up for Ellis, the Saints probably will.

9(from Bengals). Derrick Harvey DE/OLB Florida- There still is nobody on the board of great value for the Patriots at no.9. I can't see them being the first team in the draft to take a corner and I believe they want an impact front 7 guy in the first round. It all depends on whether or not they believe Harvey can play OLB in the 3-4.

The Patriots trade no. 62 overall and no. 77 overall (from Bengals) to the Broncos for no. 42 overall. Broncos "win" the points by 9, and recoup the pick in the 3rd round that they traded away last year.

42(from Broncos) Aqib Talib CB Kansas- I think one of 3 CB's will still be on the board at this point: Brandon Flowers, Antoine Cason, or Aqib Talib. I am projecting that Talib will be the one still on the board and the Patriots move up to get the big corner with ball skills.

69. John Carlson TE Notre Dame- I think TE is a need not a want at this point with both Watson and Thomas coming off injury.

94. Josh Barrett SS Arizona State- Boom or Bust pick with the size and speed to be a perfect successor to Rodney Harrison in the Pats defense. Great as a JR, benched for awhile as a SR.

128. Trae Williams CB South Florida- really like this kid, will probably be in every mock I do for the Pats.

165. Brandon Keith OT Northern Iowa- Huge Right Tackle prospect, he had a sub 5.00 40 at his pro day at over 340lbs

199. Ben Moffitt ILB South Florida- Maybe a bit small (6'1 234) for the Pats, but he's got better speed than the other ILB's likely to be available.

239. Kevin Robinson WR/KR Utah State- Need to draft a returner somewhere and Robinson has been really productive. He might be too one dimensional for the Patriots though as the reports I've read question his ability to help at WR.


Feel free to rip away, just keep in mind the following:

No players, except Talib, were taken at a spot that was lower than they were projected to go using the sources available to me (draft scout, war room, pfw).

These are not my favorite players, but players I think could interest the Patriots in terms of value and fit at their specific draft selections.
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:41 AM   #2
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ehh, I like the trades that you project... and the positions that you chose for each pick, but I'm not crazy about the players you picked.

I don't think Harvey will ever be an OLB, Talib was burned badly in College by Jordy Nelson, who ran a 4.6(?).. and I think we'd go with more of a blocking-style TE in the 3rd- Brad Cottam comes to mind.

Very good attempt though! I don't think I could come up with a better mock.

just my .02 cents
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Very nice trades. Well thought out and some very excellent players that fit our scheme.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:50 PM   #4
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Like others, I like the thought that went into it and the overall structure even if I don't agree with some of the players. Personally, Moffitt makes me very queasy from a character perspective. (And come to think of it, from a PR perspective...Patriots drafting the ultimate cheater wouldn't exactly make my day.)
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Like most responding, I like your effort more than the results. Your ideas are sound, but I think you are making things overly complicated with the trades.
If its our idea to try and move back up in the 2nd then adjust our trade in the first rd.....If we traded with say Denver(12) we could swap both 1s and 2s. I think Harvey is a boom or bust type, so is Groves. We dont like to take chances in the first rd and like linemen. No DL needs, so our best bet at 12 is likely Albert, hoping to get Avril in the 2nd.
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I am projecting the Patriots trade no. 7 overall to the Cincinnati Bengals for the no.9 overall and the no.77 overall. The Patriots actually "win" this trade on the draft value chart giving up 1500pts but getting back 1555pts. The reason I believe this trade is realistic is that the drop off between Sedrick Ellis (who the Bengals will take at no.7) and the next available DT is huge. The Saints also want Ellis and pick just one spot below the Bengals at no.10. The Bengals know that if they don't move up for Ellis, the Saints probably will.

9(from Bengals). Derrick Harvey DE/OLB Florida- There still is nobody on the board of great value for the Patriots at no.9. I can't see them being the first team in the draft to take a corner and I believe they want an impact front 7 guy in the first round. It all depends on whether or not they believe Harvey can play OLB in the 3-4.

The Patriots trade no. 62 overall and no. 77 overall (from Bengals) to the Broncos for no. 42 overall. Broncos "win" the points by 9, and recoup the pick in the 3rd round that they traded away last year.

42(from Broncos) Aqib Talib CB Kansas- I think one of 3 CB's will still be on the board at this point: Brandon Flowers, Antoine Cason, or Aqib Talib. I am projecting that Talib will be the one still on the board and the Patriots move up to get the big corner with ball skills.

69. John Carlson TE Notre Dame- I think TE is a need not a want at this point with both Watson and Thomas coming off injury.

94. Josh Barrett SS Arizona State- Boom or Bust pick with the size and speed to be a perfect successor to Rodney Harrison in the Pats defense. Great as a JR, benched for awhile as a SR.

128. Trae Williams CB South Florida- really like this kid, will probably be in every mock I do for the Pats.

165. Brandon Keith OT Northern Iowa- Huge Right Tackle prospect, he had a sub 5.00 40 at his pro day at over 340lbs

199. Ben Moffitt ILB South Florida- Maybe a bit small (6'1 234) for the Pats, but he's got better speed than the other ILB's likely to be available.

239. Kevin Robinson WR/KR Utah State- Need to draft a returner somewhere and Robinson has been really productive. He might be too one dimensional for the Patriots though as the reports I've read question his ability to help at WR.


Feel free to rip away, just keep in mind the following:

No players, except Talib, were taken at a spot that was lower than they were projected to go using the sources available to me (draft scout, war room, pfw).

These are not my favorite players, but players I think could interest the Patriots in terms of value and fit at their specific draft selections.

Ok.

I don't feel that Harvey, Carlson, Keith or Moffitt really help the Patriots.

Harvey is a prototypical 4-3 DE and not a 3-4 OLB.

Carlson can't really block and the Pats already have 2 pass-catching TEs.

Keith has questions about his attitude and willingness to WANT to play football.

Moffitt. Why bother even picking an ILB at all. He's more of a Larry Izzo special teamer than someone who can come in and help the Patriots on regular downs.

If the draft went like this, then I'd have to say that BB and Pioli were planning on splitting and tanking the team on their way out.
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Very nice trades. Well thought out and some very excellent players that fit our scheme.
Only Barrett and Williams fit the Pats schemes. The others don't. Not even in the most remote sense. OK. maybe in the most absolute REMOTE sense, but not nearly the way you claim.
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Anyone who wants to work out 2nd rd trades and beyond is ok in my book!

Harvey at 9 jumps out at me though. 2 things, like others have said, 4-3, not 3-4. Secondly, I think it's a waste of the 9th overall pick to use harvey there. Me personally, I don't think he has value at 9. mid teens, if he were to fit, sure. Not that high though.
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My favorite pick in this mock is Kevin Robinson. An elite returner (and he is the best returner in the draft) is well worth the seventh-round pick.

Oh, and Talib at 42 is a steal.
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