jeffbiologist

I havent checked out the point values, but I think they should be about right...
#7 to ATL (Ryan)
We get (3)2's in 08 and their 09 2nd as well.
To me this trade makes sense because they can use these picks to trade for the establised players they like, they dont have to pay that 1 big contract(and take that 1 big chance), that is where the value is in this draft, use future 2 to tender restricted FAs.
We can then bundle these picks to jump up and get those 2(with 6 picks in rds 2/3) players we might want at the bottom of the first, guys like Groves, Albert, Cason or whoever. I think this would be a coup for ATL, they could get 2 top 10 picks without giving up a 1st rounder! If they do this they show us they have confidence in their scouting, something they should do considering last season.

Seels

3 2's for the number 7 overall pick isn't even close to reasonable value.

A.C Vegas

Why would we trade completely out of the first round and not get back a first rounder next year like we have done every other time

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patriotsdynasty12189

And you know how bad we are with 2nd rounders.

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DaBruinz

This is just stupid. If anything, Dallas will use one of their 1st rounders to trade down with Atlanta, if Atlanta needs to get back into the 1st round. Also, Atlanta has their 1st round pick (3rd over-all). Why would they trade 4 picks for the #7 over-all?

None of what you posted makes any sense.

Now, if the Pats were to pull off a trade with Dallas, I could see the Pats trading down with Atlanta to get a few more picks.

BRiZ

Pats just arent gunna trade down for no reason, they traded away their 1st last year to move up in the draft. We had two low 1sts last year and didnt even use them both. Now they are in position to get an impact player in the top 10 they would only trade down if the value wasnt there on the board or they got a rediculous offer.

jeffbiologist

The reason for the trade down is that you dont see a player worth the money you will have to pay him in a position to fit this team.This team doesnt just pick the player and pay him if he doesnt fit the system.

Ryan is available and ATL wants to trade for him(say they take Dorsey at 3), they have multiple picks to package to offer us. The trade value is close(400x4=1600 and ours is 1500)....and we would be adding a 2nd in 09. No teams will likely be trading us future #1s again anytime soon.Remember that, we are the NFL's Red Auerbach.

Most would say that last years draft wasnt that good and thats some of the reason the pats did what they did(not counting trades for Welker/Moss). This is supposed to be REAL good, just not top heavy. A 2nd this year might be like a 1st last year or next year. If you cant get a player you can see paying the $$ at #7 and a team offered to trade 4(!!)2s(3 in 08 1 in 09)....why not do it? GET OUT OF THAT SPOT. Two of these would be right at the top of the 2nd round. We could easily package together picks from there to move up to snag the guy we want in the place where he has value. But I dont see that much difference in value between picks 22-36.
With multiple picks we could fill every hole, create depth, and draft in positions that are likely to make the team. Repeat, MAKE THE TEAM. These picks would have modest cap hits, and the risk/reward is in the range we like.

OK, we dont have much luck with 2nd rounders,lol, but thats not a real reason not to do this. But I ask you guys to look at the values and study our roster. DONT BE GREEDY, getting value for value while getting out of a draft position WE DONT WANT itself has value. Falling in love with first round picks is something I think this team has done too much in the past.
Moreover, if we use picks like this we save $$ on the cap so we can sign the best FAs available....as we also like to do. I doubt ATL would do it because they need players, but you dont get a chance to draft a franchise QB everyday. Do you really think San Diego fleeced NY in the Eli trade now??I dont think many will argue that small differences in QB play make a BIG difference on the field.....

VJCPatriot

When your 1st round picks are Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Watson, Graham, Mankins, and Maroney, there's not a lot to DISLIKE about having a 1st rounder to spend. They have shown a very good ability to maximize their 1st rounders. I also don't think the Pats "fall in love" with 1st round picks. In fact they have shown a willingness to trade for the future in the years that they have two 1st rounders. 2008 would have been another such year if it weren't for Goodell.

Have you seen what's left on the free agent market lately? Slim pickings. The players left over now are mostly middle tier, roster fillers. The good players are the ones being mentioned in trade rumors. Example Hall got moved for a 2nd rounder and a big contract, Sheppard probably would cost at least the same amount, but I hear now that he is staying in Philly.

And the last time the Falcons drafted a franchise QB, they got burned badly. Doesn't mean they won't do it again, but it does makes it less likely.

The difference is that San Diego got a high 1st rounder and then another 1st rounder in return. They used those picks to draft Rivers AND Merriman. Eli's still overrated, but he got the job done, I'll give him that.

Trade summary from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers-...g-Rivers_Trade

Giants received
Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

Chargers received
Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.

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primetime

I might do that deal for the #20 overall pick. For the #7? Not even remotely approaching value, no matter how big of a monetary risk that pick is. It's possible, even likely, that the Patriots could finagle 2 late 1sts from Dallas and more for that pick straight up if McFadden is available, so taking 3 2nds when most of the slots on the team are filled (a 4th rounder failed to make the squad last year) and you're looking for quality over quantity is a poor idea.

As for Eli, I think the Giants win the Super Bowl with Rivers just as well as they do with Eli. Osi Umeniyora, Justin Tuck, Plaxico Burress, and Michael Strahan were the MVPs of that game, but that's neither here nor there.

jeffbiologist

OK, but we are in a lot different position than last time we drafted at 6, and so is the money. As far as past picks, we havent "missed" in the 1st, I will give you that. But why the discrepancy between 1st and 2nd rd picks? We are alot lower than league avg on those. Graham,Watson and Maroney (in the long run)wont be judged good first round value.
If we dont have a guard and draft one in the first round....ya, he better be good, better start right away and yes, he better make the pro bowl. Not too many guards get taken in the first..
The cap money saved for free agents would be in the next few years over the life of these picks' contracts...not NOW obviously.
We beat up on Rivers and Merriman twice a year like they are our stable boys yet lost to Eli.....not a fair comparison but a ring is a ring I think you will agree.
If we did this deal, took our 2nd and 3rd to trade back up and get Groves, we could end up with him, a very good cb, a OL, and maybe even another player on day 1. I am interested in guys that can START on this team, and 3rd rounders wont do it. All 4 of these guys COMBINED wont cost as much as that guy at 7, if the guy doesnt fit both need and value why pay him that much??