DaBruinz

Matt Ryan falls to #7. Dorsey is there also.

The Pats have been on the phone with Chicago. They get off the phone with Chicago and the Ravens call. Both teams want Ryan. Then Denver calls saying they want to trade up for Dorsey.

The Pats pull off the trade with the Ravens picking up a 2nd round in 2009. Then the Pats trade with the Broncos, picking up the Broncos 1st and 2nd round in 2008.

OR...

Ryan and McFadden fall to the Pats. The Pats dupe the Ravens into moving up and get the Pats a 2nd in 2009 and then trade the #8 pick for Dallas 2 1st rounders and Bobby Carpenter so they can take McFadden.

In either case, the Pats gain a lot of immediate help and continue future building as well.

mike100915

I'd like to see some how Chris Long fall to us and we scoop him up. I would be ecstatic if he some how fell. More then likely this will not happen. I just feel that Chris Long is exactly what a Patriot is. This guy can probably play 7 positions for us. He'd give us everything we'd need. Gholston may have a better career, but I prefer Chris Long. He'll be the air apparent to Mike Vrabel.

PonyExpress

That would be an amazing scenario, like cleaning up at poker. One small reservation is that I actually think Ryan will be a good QB, and might prefer he go to an NFC team instead of the Ravens- but for additional draft picks I'd bite the bullet on that for sure.

As far as C. Long and Gholston... I'll take Long all day. His football character is much better than Gholston's. Football character*athleticism= production. The only scenario in which I would trade up is for Long at #5.

RussFrancis

Ive actually wondered a bit if NE would be crazy or bold enough to actually move up to as high as 4 or 5 if Chris Long happens to fall that far. We become accustomed to watching the brass move picks down or turn them into future #1s, but weve never really seen as strong a move as doing something like move from 7 to say 4 with Oakland. Id only see this happening if somehow Miami takes Ryan 1st, St Louis nabs Jake Long, and Atlanta more than likely takes Dorsey, best case scenario. But with Oakland picking 4th, they could either go Long, Gholston or McFadden. And considering that Long's dad is a former Raiders legend, Id think Al Davis would almost be compelled to take Chris Long if he's sitting there at 4. unless of course, someone were to offer a trade into their slot. I suppose the same trade scenario could exist for move up to the 5 spot with KC for either Gholston or Long if NE deems either player really worth the money. Lots of very interesting possibilities. But how crazy would it be to actually see the team move UP to snag one of these guys?

ctpatsfan77

It would be a clear indication of two simple facts: (1) Belioli thought so highly of that player's potential value to the team, relative to the other players on his draft board AND to other trade scenarios, that they felt that moving up like that was the best possible move, and, of course, (2) they found a willing trade partner.

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ALP

either one of those scenarios sound great to me

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Patsmaniac

I dont understand why everyone on this site wants a trade with Dallas to include Bobby Carpentter. Am i missing something. what the hell has he ever shown? How about a trade that included Spencer or Ware...

I dont get it

DaBruinz

Your comments about Spencer or Ware show exactly why you don't get it. You aren't being realistic in your expectations.

People mention Carpenter because, right now, he's a spare part for the Cowboys and has less value in a trade. So he'd be easier to come by. The Cowboys aren't about to trade Ware or Spencer.

Carpenter has shown to be a very good special teamer and shown some flashes at ILB. He's just not been able to win the starting spot from Akin Ayodele. Given the chance and coaching here with the Pats, he could do that.

WhiZa

I would like to see Ryan and McFadden to fall for trade bait and Long, Long, Gholston to fall as potential selections.

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BradyToMoss

For Ryan to fall to 7, that would mean McTrouble goes #3 or #4 and Clady goes #5 overall to the Chiefs or the Panthers (via a trade up w/KC) and the Chiefs grab their prize LT in Otah at #13 and the Panthers get their man in Clady. That scenario could in fact happen. A Clady at #5 would give this scenario some legs (CLong, Big Blue Long, McTrouble, Gholston, Clady all going top 5, would leave the Jets with a tough, tough decision on whether to take Dorsey or deal down).

If Dorsey falls to #6, I guarantee you that Eric the Rat works out a major, major blockbuster deal to the team who covets Matty Heisman. Eric the Rat would stick it to us again and take away our possible trade scenario for Ryan, I can honestly see the draft playing out like this. What does this mean for us, well we could do what we did before and draft the highest value / lesser need player in Dorsey, ala Big Vince, or we could look to deal down to a team wanting Dorsey, yet in my eyes, I see this as being unlikely. The only "trade up" guy in my eyes is Matt Ryan, if Dorsey falls to us at 7, there will be red flags all over the place and teams will not deal up for him, that is my opinion. So if things were to play out like this, a very, very likely situation and you're BB, what do you do? Grab Dorsey as Vince insurance and go more to a 4-3, or do you bypass him and grab a McKelvin or DRC?

Dorsey at #7 kind of scares me, I just don't think teams will be climbing over each other for the telephone if Big Glenn is sitting there at #7, like some people might think they will. The Pats could really be in a tough scenario.