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***DaBruinz*** · 07-24-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

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Wendell may be better than OBurger, but that's damning with faint praise. I would've kept Ted Larsen & Eric Ghiaciuc ahead of both of them at the end of TC last year.

Yes, who cares if Larsen and Ghiaciuc weren't as good as Wendell and Ohrnberger. BB should have listened to Captain Stone and his 5 rings.. OH.. Wait.. I forgot.. It's BB that has the 5 rings..

***patchick*** · 07-24-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

I would be very surprised if Connolly isn't the starting RG out of TC. OxyKaczur, if he doesn't accept a salary cut, will likely be a cap casualty; I'm not sure that a free agent can learn enough about Dante's system to assume the starting RG spot by Opening Day...

Hold on a second. You're assuming Connolly starts because even a veteran FA can't be expected to pick up the system fast enough for game 1. OK, that's a reasonable position. But then why the heck are you cutting Kaczur, the most experienced tackle on the roster??

***patchick*** · 07-24-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

While I generally agree, I think that the key to a solid line is having Kaczur available at near 100% or having Light. This also presumes Mankins.

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I would like to see us sign at LEAST one of the UDFA centers for the Practice Squad.

I'm with deus on this one. I would add a veteran OG/C if we can get one. The requirement would be that he would better than Connolly or Kaczur at OG. This player would be expected to start at RG. But there is no NEED, just a potential opportunity for upgrade.

Totally agree. Kaczur's health is key -- I'd be surprised to see them re-sign Light, simply because if I were Light, I'd prefer a situation where there wasn't a hotshot first-round rookie slotted to take my job by game 8.

Snake Eyes · 07-24-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

Yes, who cares if Larsen and Ghiaciuc weren't as good as Wendell and Ohrnberger. BB should have listened to Captain Stone and his 5 rings.. OH.. Wait.. I forgot.. It's BB that has the 5 rings..

Sorry to burst your bubble but BB is not perfect, he even admitted that he made a mistake by not getting Peyton Hillis, while I have coveted Hillis since I first saw him in 2008. I also wanted Jared Veldheer, who is an emerging stud LT, while BB chose to pass on him.

***patchick*** · 07-24-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

Sorry to burst your bubble but BB is not perfect, he even admitted that he made a mistake by not getting Peyton Hillis, while I have coveted Hillis since I first saw him in 2008. I also wanted Jared Veldheer, who is an emerging stud LT, while BB chose to pass on him.

Hold on...does it count as a "mistake" for every team in the league every time any player they don't draft turns out to be good? Surely no team is going to draft EVERY good player.

The Patriots had a spectacularly productive 2nd round last year. All 3 players they drafted filled clear needs, logged 8+ starts as rookies and are expected to be core players for the team this season. But that's now a "mistake" because another good player was available at another position too?

Personally, I reserve the "mistake" label for major busts (especially when their failings were relatively foreseeable); for failures to address a clear position of need (e.g. they waited to long to restock ILB); and for cases where they had an obvious choice between 2 players and chose wrong.

Snake Eyes · 07-24-2011, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Hold on...does it count as a "mistake" for every team in the league every time any player they don't draft turns out to be good? Surely no team is going to draft EVERY good player.

The Patriots had a spectacularly productive 2nd round last year. All 3 players they drafted filled clear needs, logged 8+ starts as rookies and are expected to be core players for the team this season. But that's now a "mistake" because another good player was available at another position too?

Personally, I reserve the "mistake" label for major busts (especially when their failings were relatively foreseeable); for failures to address a clear position of need (e.g. they waited to long to restock ILB); and for cases where they had an obvious choice between 2 players and chose wrong.

I never said it was a "mistake", we did VERY well with last year's draft, I only think that with some tweaks it could have been better. My only point is that BB is not perfect, the previous poster's comments were essentially "how DARE you criticize BB, he has 5 rings and you have none", I disagree and used those 2 examples to illustrate that BB is not perfect, to which he has admitted.

Talking about this kinda stuff is fun, there wouldnt be much of a PatsFans if everyone adhered to "BB is infallible" dogma.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 07-25-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Hold on...does it count as a "mistake" for every team in the league every time any player they don't draft turns out to be good? Surely no team is going to draft EVERY good player.

The Patriots had a spectacularly productive 2nd round last year. All 3 players they drafted filled clear needs, logged 8+ starts as rookies and are expected to be core players for the team this season. But that's now a "mistake" because another good player was available at another position too?

Personally, I reserve the "mistake" label for major busts (especially when their failings were relatively foreseeable); for failures to address a clear position of need (e.g. they waited to long to restock ILB); and for cases where they had an obvious choice between 2 players and chose wrong.

e.g., drafting Bo Ruud over Gary Guyton?

***patchick*** · 07-25-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77

e.g., drafting Bo Ruud over Gary Guyton?

The rare mistake that cost them nothing! (Seriously, whatever did they see in Ruud?)

Seriously, I try not to give "mistake" labels to picks toward the end of the draft, and certainly not on misses where EVERYBODY had tons of chances.

captain stone · 07-25-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Hold on a second. You're assuming Connolly starts because even a veteran FA can't be expected to pick up the system fast enough for game 1. OK, that's a reasonable position. But then why the heck are you cutting Kaczur, the most experienced tackle on the roster??

Because Kaczur doesn't deserve to make even close to his cap hit.
If he's willing to restructure, then he can stay; if he isn't, then sayonara.
Truth is, his play has been barely above replacement-level since his meds were taken away.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 07-25-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by patchick

The rare mistake that cost them nothing! (Seriously, whatever did they see in Ruud?)

Seriously, I try not to give "mistake" labels to picks toward the end of the draft, and certainly not on misses where EVERYBODY had tons of chances.

Thankfully, it worked out, but don't forget that when BB called Guyton to try and sign him, Guyton's biggest question was "Why did you draft Bo Ruud instead of me?"

And, to answer your question, "Barrett."