Tressel and the 2011 Supplemental Draft - New England Patriots Forums

TealSox · 05-31-2011, 03:16 PM

It's official: the 2011 Supplemental Draft will be held in July.

In the wake of Tressel's resignation and the 5 game suspension of players - notably Terrelle Pryor - the usually lackluster NFL Supplemental Draft may actually generate widespread media attention. Meanwhile, in the background, players like, Notre Dame WR, Michael Floyd and, Florida CB, Janoris Jenkins are are likely prospects to enter the Supplemental Draft in the wake of their own off-the-field issues.

QB - Terrelle Pryor
(Ohio State): 3rd-4th round

RB - Daniel Herron
(Ohio State): 3rd-4th round

WR - DeVier Posey
(Ohio State): 3rd-4th round

WR - Michael Floyd
(Notre Dame): 2nd round

OT - Mike Adams
(Ohio State): 1st - 2nd round

CB - Janoris Jenkins
(Florida): 2nd-3rd round

Not that the Patriots have every been a key player in the Supplemental Draft, but if they were to get involved, the cost would come as low as a 5th round pick - since they traded their 6th and both 7th round picks in 2012. Not that they should, given these players have a propensity for issues - especially Mike Adams, Janoris Jenkins and Michael Floyd.

The real question is, will the 2011 Supplemental Draft create a large enough ripple effect to impact the Patriots 2012 draft?

supafly · 05-31-2011, 10:16 PM

I am guessing that the team will not have much interest.

I am a huge Ohio St fan, and I would not want any of the Buckeye players on this Patriots team.

Posey and Herron are a dime a dozen, maybe Adams on the O-line would be okay, but we just addressed the O-line through the draft in April.

Tyrelle Pryor is as dumb as anyone I have ever seen, he went to one of the local high schools here in Pittsburgh, where I live (he went to Jeanette). I know all about Pryor from living here, and also having lived in Columbus, and continuing to follow the Bucks. Pryor will be a bigger bust than JaMarcus Russel, as Pryor is althletic--but can't throw all that well (especially in the NFL), and like I said--he's just flat out egotistical and stupid. Even Heisman trophy winner Troy Smith was waayyyy better than Pryor, and he barely even got drafted at all. Pryor will fail, at least at the QB position.

I really think that Floyd from ND may have some skills, but I just don't think we'd be in the hunt. Just one man's opinion though, you never know I guess, but I think it's highly unlikely.

HomerSchooled · 05-31-2011, 10:31 PM

Floyd would be awful tempting, even at as high as a second rounder. His behavior issues with alcohol are a concern, but I haven't gotten the impression he's a bad teammate. Just needs to grow up a little. The ND/Weis connection is a definite plus, too.

I think we're good at the position this year, but we should definitely be looking for a receiver in 2012 with Welker and Branch both FAs. A second rounder is a lot, especially in the supplemental draft, but would any second rounder in 2012 be as good as Floyd plus a year's experience on our team? I doubt it.

Off The Grid · 05-31-2011, 10:54 PM

Very good idea for a Thread...

One note, though: Janoris Jenkins is staying, and going to North Alabama.

TealSox · 06-01-2011, 01:14 AM

I apologize for not pasting the link, but the idea was mentioned of moving Pryor to Wide Receiver a la Matt Jones. And ironically, his career could end up as productive as Jones' career. Prior to the suspensions, I felt that Tyrelle Pryor was a prime candidate to pull a Cam Newton and throw up stats that would garner a first round selection.

If Floyd enters the mix, I could imagine a team like San Diego or Chicago jumping into the mix. Meanwhile, teams like Philly are going to keep their eyes on Plaxico, from what I've read.

Personally, I've been a fan of the Supp. Draft. In the past, I've eyed the prospects of selecting Paul Oliver, Jared Gaither, Ahmad Brooks and Tony Hollings. But it makes sense to avoid the Supp. Draft when you consider that, given the scarcity of the market, prices are dangerously unpredictable. In any case, if the Patriots used their 5th on Floyd, I wouldn't be upset win-lose-draw with the outcome.

The lock out and the lack of free agency may also twist the pending Supp. Draft.... while it might go off without as much of a squeak, it may still prove to be of interest to keep tabs on.

Who can explain the contract situations with Supp. Draftees? The team must own the rights of the players, much like they would in the reg. draft, but is there any other facts that would make a Supp. Draftee more enticing to sign financially?

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Originally Posted by supafly

I am guessing that the team will not have much interest.

I am a huge Ohio St fan, and I would not want any of the Buckeye players on this Patriots team.

Posey and Herron are a dime a dozen, maybe Adams on the O-line would be okay, but we just addressed the O-line through the draft in April.

Tyrelle Pryor is as dumb as anyone I have ever seen, he went to one of the local high schools here in Pittsburgh, where I live (he went to Jeanette). I know all about Pryor from living here, and also having lived in Columbus, and continuing to follow the Bucks. Pryor will be a bigger bust than JaMarcus Russel, as Pryor is althletic--but can't throw all that well (especially in the NFL), and like I said--he's just flat out egotistical and stupid. Even Heisman trophy winner Troy Smith was waayyyy better than Pryor, and he barely even got drafted at all. Pryor will fail, at least at the QB position.

I really think that Floyd from ND may have some skills, but I just don't think we'd be in the hunt. Just one man's opinion though, you never know I guess, but I think it's highly unlikely.

supafly · 06-01-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TealSox

I apologize for not pasting the link, but the idea was mentioned of moving Pryor to Wide Receiver a la Matt Jones. And ironically, his career could end up as productive as Jones' career. Prior to the suspensions, I felt that Tyrelle Pryor was a prime candidate to pull a Cam Newton and throw up stats that would garner a first round selection.

Well, as I said, I certainly do not believe he's going to make it as 'a QB.' You make a good point that he may do better as a WR, and he is obviously gifted athletically. I would think that many NFL teams would strongly consider moving him to WR, especially after talking to him/interviewing him about his QB'ing skills.

I know for a fact that the Ohio St QB reads, and playcalling were extremely dumbed down for him, and incredibly simplistic. I don't know how much OSU ball you watched, but there were time and time again where he made very errant throws, fumbled, threw picks etc. But yes, of course there were also times when the simple offensive calls worked too, although mostly with his legs. He very well may have a much better shot as a WR etc, but I personally am not too sold on him. I do not make predictions very often, as I certainly am smart enough not to put myself 'out there' like that, especially when scouting and predicting future players. But if I were to make a prediction about anything football related, it would be that Tyrelle Pryor will not succeed as an NFL QB. He may get away with a few good throws every now and then in the NCAA, but not at this level where reads, adjustments, audibles, route cut-offs etc are a major key. And as I said, I am a huge OSU fan, so I am certainly pulling for him, and have no bias.

As far as comparing him to Cam Newton---well, that may be somewhat true. I think they are both pretty much, all 'run-first,' throw second kind of guys. I think both do not fully have a true offense capability, particularly at the NFL level. I do not think either can throw as effectively as many of the other QB's, and are over-hyped due to their tendency to run the ball with QB's run-reads, and simple option plays. We all know that is not going to cut it for too long in the pros, as you will likely get killed pretty quickly...BUT I guess you never know, especially with that kind of athleticism, and I will not argue with the professional scouts who had Cam Newton going 1st overall, as that's what they get paid to do. Those are just a simple fan's opinion, that's all.

TealSox · 06-01-2011, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by supafly

BUT I guess you never know, especially with that kind of athleticism, and I will not argue with the professional scouts who had Cam Newton going 1st overall, as that's what they get paid to do. Those are just a simple fan's opinion, that's all.

I'll argue with every professional scout that had Newton going 1st overall and use the arguments of Mike Mayock and other reasonably intelligent analysts that didn't think Newton was the #1 QB, let alone deserved of going 1st overall.

And the reason I quoted the earlier post was to state that, while Pryor will likely fail where ever he is lands, he couldn't be a bigger bust than Jamarcus Russell because he went 1st overall. Nevertheless, I agree with the essence of the statement.

supafly · 06-01-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TealSox

I'll argue with every professional scout that had Newton going 1st overall and use the arguments of Mike Mayock and other reasonably intelligent analysts that didn't think Newton was the #1 QB, let alone deserved of going 1st overall.

And the reason I quoted the earlier post was to state that, while Pryor will likely fail where ever he is lands, he couldn't be a bigger bust than Jamarcus Russell because he went 1st overall. Nevertheless, I agree with the essence of the statement.

Very fair thinking. Personally I am obviously pulling for him, but I have my doubts.

I'd rather look toward Floyd from ND, but at what cost??

I just don't think this team would mess with the supplemental draft too much, but then again, this coach will always do what's best for the team--so nothing's ever really written in stone.

I don't even care, I just want them to solve the damn labor dispute and actually HAVE a supplemental draft. Then we can all feel better, and focus on what looks to be a very promising season.

***sbpatfan*** · 06-01-2011, 10:48 AM

Terrelle Pyror:

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Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever.

Kid has all the athletic ability in the world but absolutely no brains.

Shelterdog · 06-01-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TealSox

Personally, I've been a fan of the Supp. Draft. In the past, I've eyed the prospects of selecting Paul Oliver, Jared Gaither, Ahmad Brooks and Tony Hollings. But it makes sense to avoid the Supp. Draft when you consider that, given the scarcity of the market, prices are dangerously unpredictable.

The other problem is that the resources available in the supplemental draft are usually talented knuckleheads-a resouce the patriots undervalue relative to other teams.