Patriot Missile

I like Ellis quite a bit. He's a nose tackle and 340 pounds. The last I checked we just signed a pro bowl NT to a long term deal named Wilfork. I wouldn't argue at all if they went that route though. Having Ellis and Wilfork in certain alignments is appealing in many ways. Not to mention the depth. He is definately a Patriots type pick.

My reasoning for Jenkins is he translates to a DE/DT hybrid much better than someone like Ellis. He can line up as a 3 or 5 technique in 43 or 34 defense. He also played some NT too. He's the ideal replacement for Warren. Not to mention the depth he brings is enormous. Probably one of the most underrated players helping to pave the way for guys like Bowers and Sapp the last few years. For me personally, he is an ideal Patriot.

Also...For if whatever reason BB decides to get a wild hair and decide to draft the entire offensive line all over again and bypass DE in the first round and pick 33 all together, that he would atleast consider drafting Jenkins with 60 or 74

Snake Eyes

Is there any reason why Ellis can't be trained as a DE?

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dryheat44

He can't be trained to stay out of trouble. So possibly. I can't believe this turd sandwich who's character seems to run in the negatives is getting so much love today...as a possible option in the second round even!

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Snake Eyes

I'd like to get more info on his exact issues, if it's smoking some weed and being a bit too heavy that's one thing, Phil Taylor-type assault is quite another.

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Patriot Missile

He would do well there with time probably. It's just a matter of choice I guess. I see Jenkins more ready now, where as Ellis has more enormous upside. If your willing to gamble than choose Ellis. He had a very good NFLPA game that was essential due to his lack of competition at Hampton. for me my choice is the guy that did it every Saturday in the SEC.

I'd be happy with either. I just prefer Jenkins.

dryheat44

Well, here's the thing, even if it's a booting for smoking pot once or twice (which I seriously doubt), it still has to raise issues.

I have no problem with people getting high if that's what they want to do. The red flags come in when it's a situation where you know you're potentially going to get disciplined for it, and hurt your team with a suspension, and hurt your chances of playing professionally, and you still get caught doing it. Especially if it's more than once. I don't know whether it speaks more to attitude, intelligence, or priorities, but I do not want someone like that on my team. Why would anybody assume he's going to stop putting himself in those situations after he makes the NFL and gets paid?

Again, I think a "drug violation" would be have to be much more significant than being busted for smoking pot to be thrown off the SC football team. I think it's far more likely he was either a dealer or was into harder drugs.

Will he straighen himself out? Maybe, and I wish him the best. Corey Dillon had the same demons when he was younger and matured. I still wouldn't have drafted him back then.

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patchick

It's a little murky, but here's what I've pieced together:

- Perpetually in the coach's doghouse for being out of shape and overweight
- Suspended for 3 games at South Carolia for "violations of team and university rules" (rumors say a combo of academic issues and failed drug tests), then violated even more rules and got thrown off the team
- At Hampton, was arrested for assault in the offseason
- Suspended for a game at Hampton for unspecified reasons

Ochmed Jones

Here is the bottom line on 3-4 DE's in this draft.

Dareus is ready to start from day 1 and will be a stud in our defense against the run and like Seymour will require double teams rushing the passer. Unfortunately he is off the board very early. If Carolina did not have such a huge hole at QB, I would think they should consider taking him #1.

Wilkerson is not ready to start from day 1, if anything he projects a lot like Ty Warren. Nearly a year to learn technique and get much stronger, I miss Woicik already. However by year two, Wilkerson will be a stud agains the run, but provide little pass rush on his own. He may not even command a double team while rushing the passer.

Watt - I don't get. I watch tape and see a guy that gets turned sideways defending the run, holds no ground against the double team, and appears stiff while getting little pass rush, but is excellent at timing his jumps to knock down a bunch of balls. I must be missing something because the tape screams 4-3 under tackle yet the experts say 3-4 DE. I guess that is a Pittsburgh 3-4 1 gap DE?

My "one position over" sleeper is Phil Taylor for NT while moving Wilfork to DE. Taylor and Wilfork would literally tilt the field to the opposite side in the running game. What kind of a monster could the slow moving Spikes be if all runs were funneled directly to him? Lots of oppostunity for Nasty and Viscious! How sweet is that.

patchick

Ochmed, I'd be curious for your observations on Jarvis Jenkins. If the Patriots reach round 2 without a DE prospect, he seems like the closest thing left.

Patriot Missile

I agree with you that Wilkerson will be the pick if Watt and Jordan are off the board. No arguing that point. Who knows? Maybe they like Heyward and Wilkerson better already? I was agreeing with Belichickfan that it would be ideal to draft a DE and a DE/DT hybrid like player in the 2nd. Hence I mentioned Jenkins as a candidate.