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Old 03-02-2011, 09:44 PM   #1
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WalterFootball.com: 2011 NFL Mock Draft

Patriots take:

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Wilkerson
LeShoure
Titus Young
Rashad Carmichael
Dontay Moch
Shiloh Keo
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:18 PM   #2
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WalterFootball.com: 2011 NFL Mock Draft

Patriots take:

Solder
Wilkerson
LeShoure
Titus Young
Rashad Carmichael
Dontay Moch
Shiloh Keo
Jeremy Beal
How unbelievably out of touch with reality some of these profesional sports writers can be. For months now these boards have been lit up with discussions of the necessity of interior linemen for the pats in this draft. This moch has not a single interior lineman in the first 5 rounds. One writer rates the Pats OL high this year and their must not be any need....right. Light no contract and 32, Mankins no contract and upset held out 1/2 last year, Neal played only 50 % of his whole career (true check it out) and now retired, Kaczur 3.5 million back up comeing off back surgery at 32 about to be cut, Koppen at 31 an need of an upgrade.

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How unbelievably out of touch with reality some of these profesional sports writers can be. For months now these boards have been lit up with discussions of the necessity of interior linemen for the pats in this draft. This moch has not a single interior lineman in the first 5 rounds. One writer rates the Pats OL high this year and their must not be any need....right. Light no contract and 32, Mankins no contract and upset held out 1/2 last year, Neal played only 50 % of his whole career (true check it out) and now retired, Kaczur 3.5 million back up comeing off back surgery at 32 about to be cut, Koppen at 31 an need of an upgrade.
I like parts of this Mock....Solder, Wilkerson, and Moch specifically.

But you're right....we NEED a guard. If you replace LeShoure with Wisniewski this Mock looks decent.

The changes I would make according to this mock....

1a. Solder OT
1b. Wilkerson DE
2a. Wisniewski G/C
2b. Danny Watkins G
3a. Kendall hunter RB (My binky )
3b. Moch OLB
4. Toliver WR
5. Not sure at this point, but not Beal.
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He lost me when he reffered to a Pats DE as a "five technique". Pretty hard to two-gap from an outside shade. Damn you, Mayock, damn you for polluting the uneducated.

I also love the three year old level thought string of "The Pats won't take him
because his agent in Tom Condon." that seems to not only permeate this board but most so called experts as well.

Wilkerson strikes me as an epic meh, and his inability to drop his hips concern me terribly. The PSU center strikes me as a more in-live player with less explosion than history likes. Leshore strikes me as a low rent Maroney. He's a zone back without the explosion off of the cut to play it at the professional level. He very well be smarter than Maroney (hell, my niece's teddy bear is smarter than Maroney), but physically he grades out to a mid third and doesn't fit the need for the homerun tailback. Bad draft, almost tragic in my mind.
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He lost me when he reffered to a Pats DE as a "five technique". Pretty hard to two-gap from an outside shade. Damn you, Mayock, damn you for polluting the uneducated.

I also love the three year old level thought string of "The Pats won't take him
because his agent in Tom Condon." that seems to not only permeate this board but most so called experts as well.

Wilkerson strikes me as an epic meh, and his inability to drop his hips concern me terribly. The PSU center strikes me as a more in-live player with less explosion than history likes. Leshore strikes me as a low rent Maroney. He's a zone back without the explosion off of the cut to play it at the professional level. He very well be smarter than Maroney (hell, my niece's teddy bear is smarter than Maroney), but physically he grades out to a mid third and doesn't fit the need for the homerun tailback. Bad draft, almost tragic in my mind.
OK, nobody else is asking, but being the resident Guy Who Doesn't Give a Rat's @$$ Who Thinks I'm a Dumb @$$ For Asking: What's the story with 5 Techs and your "4 Tech" talk?? Being as you're the only lunatic in the GALAXY that I've ever read using the term, I'm inclined to assume that it's absolutely correct, and that this "5 Tech" term that every one else uses is WRONG...But I WOULD like an education as to WHY.
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This moch has not a single interior lineman in the first 5 rounds.
Walter doesn't really "get" the Patriots, but I will say that (A) he did give them a guard in round 6, and (B) noted that he got caught unawares w.r.t. Neal's retirement, and that his next mock WILL have the Pats taking a guard significantly earlier.
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OK, nobody else is asking, but being the resident Guy Who Doesn't Give a Rat's @$$ Who Thinks I'm a Dumb @$$ For Asking: What's the story with 5 Techs and your "4 Tech" talk?? Being as you're the only lunatic in the GALAXY that I've ever read using the term, I'm inclined to assume that it's absolutely correct, and that this "5 Tech" term that every one else uses is WRONG...But I WOULD like an education as to WHY.
Hahaha my man! The d-line "techniques" are very simple. They designate alignment. Odd means outside shoulder, even means heads up. In a 34 with no shifts on the nose plays the 0-technique aligned head-up on the center. Put him on the outside shoulder of the center and he becomes the 1-technique. Two gapping 43's play their DT's head-up on the guard in the 2-technique. The 43 playmaking tackles play the 3-technique. If they're really fast, some will play The Warren Sapp Alignment and play the 4i. The 4i denotes an inside alignment on the tackle, this is a strictly penetration alignment designed to put a player in the backfield immediately. In a two-gap 34 the DE plays head up on the tackle, which in football vernacular is known as the 4-technique. In order to maintain the integrity of two gaps, the player must be aligned head-up. If he plays to the outside he is relinquishing his inside shoulder and is easily hooked. In 1-gap 34's (I think Mayock got this from the LeBeau system), the ends have outside responsibility and accordingly are aligned on the outside shoulder of the tackle in the 5-technique. It not only enables better upfield rush, but enables the end to better seal the edge while the OLB's crash. This not only explains upfield TFL stats for OLB's but explains the demand for OLB's who can "set the edge" in the NE scheme.
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I like parts of this Mock....Solder, Wilkerson, and Moch specifically.

But you're right....we NEED a guard. If you replace LeShoure with Wisniewski this Mock looks decent.

The changes I would make according to this mock....

1a. Solder OT
1b. Wilkerson DE
2a. Wisniewski G/C
2b. Danny Watkins G
3a. Kendall hunter RB (My binky )
3b. Moch OLB
4. Toliver WR
5. Not sure at this point, but not Beal.
Definitely a significant improvement, but of course we know that the Trade Monster will devour this mock for breakfast.
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Hahaha my man! The d-line "techniques" are very simple. They designate alignment. Odd means outside shoulder, even means heads up. In a 34 with no shifts on the nose plays the 0-technique aligned head-up on the center. Put him on the outside shoulder of the center and he becomes the 1-technique. Two gapping 43's play their DT's head-up on the guard in the 2-technique. The 43 playmaking tackles play the 3-technique. If they're really fast, some will play The Warren Sapp Alignment and play the 4i. The 4i denotes an inside alignment on the tackle, this is a strictly penetration alignment designed to put a player in the backfield immediately. In a two-gap 34 the DE plays head up on the tackle, which in football vernacular is known as the 4-technique. In order to maintain the integrity of two gaps, the player must be aligned head-up. If he plays to the outside he is relinquishing his inside shoulder and is easily hooked. In 1-gap 34's (I think Mayock got this from the LeBeau system), the ends have outside responsibility and accordingly are aligned on the outside shoulder of the tackle in the 5-technique. It not only enables better upfield rush, but enables the end to better seal the edge while the OLB's crash. This not only explains upfield TFL stats for OLB's but explains the demand for OLB's who can "set the edge" in the NE scheme.
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You can only Mock Draft Based on performance in college and some small glimpse of the player in the combine, but it is obvious that the patriots care alot about the character of a particular guy, and it is unlikely that walter or anyone else is in a position to interview these players and see what they are all about.

a couple of weeks ago everyone wanted to draft nick Fairley and he was even being mocked #1 overall, well after a couple interviews, people really started to think this guy was a jackass, so after months of being at the top of Walterfootball.com's mock draft, he has dropped all the way down to #8, and what has changed aside from the interview information that has been leaked?

The Patriots want character guys who are leaders not only on the field but in the locker room, they have to love playing football and have to have a hunger to win, they need to be able to be flexible and work with the team, understanding that the team is more important than the individual.

The patriots wont draft or sign anyone who wont obey the Belichick code of conduct, and players like Fairley who may be great individually wouldn't ever be drafted by the patriots.

This Mock and every other will be blown up by the patriots on draft day, the patriots have a habit of turning guys you've never thought of or discussed as a possibility being their main target, how many people thought belichick was crazy when he drafted ANOTHER CORNERBACK in the first round? i know i did.
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