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Oh, my head was DEEPLY implanted in my nether regions on THIS OP, Sister Pat, no doubt about it!!

And those are EXTREMELY interesting points you bring up.

To be clear: there are literally THOUSANDS of nuances to this game that I am fuzzy or worse on. I'm very adept at the conceptual aspects of things, but the knowledge that the likes of you, Ochmed Jones, and others bring to the table simply DWARFS mine.

No offense, Snake, old dog.

Consequently, I am quite confident that there are MANY mistakes in my future, as I continue to take my FootBall knowledge through the gears.

I think it's fair to say that my enthusiasm is Light Years ahead of my expertise.

...All of which is to answer your question about why I could take the position I did on the Length of interior LineMen: My own ~ in the words of Ronald Reagan ~ "youth and inexperience".

And that's not to say that I'm completely persuaded that length ~ up to an extent, mind you!! ~ is detrimental. I need to chew this over a bit...Maybe TWO bits. And to pull out another quote, this one from Johny 5: "Need More Input."

But I AM now a LITTLE bit smarter, because you took the time to post what you did, Sister Pat, and for that this Plebe offers you his humble ~ and sincere ~ Thanks.

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Snake Eyes

That's a great point, I still have nightmares of Robert Mathis bull-rushing Kaczur right up to Brady in the 09 loss to the Colts.

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Box_O_Rocks

Bum ankles do seem to have an impact on knee bend and balance ...

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Snake Eyes

Ever hear the expression by commentators "Low man wins"? It has to do with center of gravity, the lower one's center of gravity the more inherently stable you are. Being very tall with long arms means you are more easily upended, so if one were to go with very tall O-linemen I'd simply put short, stout defenders on them and bull-rush the hell out of them.

Aside from whether Kaczur was injured (players are never 100% healthy) he still has a bit of a relative disadvantage from someone like Mathis, this might not fit into your paradigm but it's reality.

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Box_O_Rocks

Oddly enough I have. I'm just curious as to how many plays where Mathis and Kaczur have squared off against each other since 2005 have featured the result which has so scarred your mind as to see all play results with the same vision? Your argument for low man wins is one facet of the trench combat discussion, generalizing from the limited sample you cited would argue a rather narrow paradigm of your own.

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Snake Eyes

When did I EVER say center of gravity was the be all of trench warfare? It's just one of MANY aspects of it but it's rooted VERY firmly in physics.

The narrow paradigm isn't mine but rather the people who discount a player like Dareus because he's 6'3 rather than 6'4. There appears to be a very deep misunderstanding of mechanical advantage in addition to center of gravity.

Think about the last time you changed the tire on a car, if you were using a short wrench it was probably very tough but if you used a long wrench you'll notice that it was a lot easier, the increased length gave you a mechanical advantage. The opponent is the bolt and his arm is the wrench, the longer his arms the easier it is to move HIM.

If you look at champion powerlifters you'll notice that they typically have short, stubby arms, it allows them to move those loads easier because can move the same amount of weight easier. If you know anyone that does Judo or Brazilian JuJitsu ask them how it is working with someone who has very long limbs compared to someone with short limbs, in general you'll find that it's more difficult going against the guy with shorter arms.

As I noted prior, why is it that some of the best O-linemen in the league have relatively short arms? If those short arms allow them to do a very good job controlling their opponent why isnt the same true for a D-lineman?

Finally, let's look at a top 3-4 DE in OUR defense, how often do you see Seymour with his long arms holding the guy where the guy cannot touch him? Whenever Seymour is making contact the other guy can also touch him, there a bunch of stuff going on which allows Seymour to dominate and it's not because his arms are an inch longer than the other guy or because he might be an inch higher.

YouTube - Richard Seymour - NFL Defensive Lineman

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Box_O_Rocks

I hope you are not confusing me with those critical of Dareus' potential in NE's defense?

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WesWelker83

My two favorite Guard prospects in this draft for us are Danny Watkins and Clint Boling. Both of them have the size and playing style to succeed right away in our system.

Snake Eyes

I'm big on Watkins but havent seen much footage of Boling, by the scouting reports it seems that his weaknesses are correctable. He'd probably be a good value pick up.

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Box_O_Rocks

Boling played primarily at RG, but he was moved all over the line to either shore up a weak spot or replace an injured player. He had starts last season at LT, RG, RT. He did pretty well against Fairley in the Auburn game, it was my impression they moved Fairley to the other side in the second half to give him more opportunity to create havoc. For what it may be worth, NE Scouts reportedly attended several Georgia games.

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