patsfaninpittsburgh

Again

Read my first point. T Warren, Wright, and Pryor are all capable of applying pressure. None of them played against the Jets.

I seriously don't get why it's so hard to understand that if your best players at doing something don't play; your team is going to get less of what they are best at.

If Warren/Wright/Pryor can come back healthy, the need for Dline that can apply pressure will be less than if none of them come back.

That's why if these guys come back full, don't be shocked over drafting a stud CB @ 17.

Shelterdog

That doesn't follow.

Even if the defensive line isn't a big need, tons of other spots are a bigger need than corner. OLB, everywhere on the OL, RB, safety, even wideout. Why would we take a stud cornerback when we have two solid to extremely solid starters and three semi-decent or better backups? Nobody we draft at 17 is going to be better than DMC or Bodden.

dryheat44

Players get hurt. Often. If a CB is the best value at 17, BB absolutely should draft one. I thought Arrington acquitted himself fairly well out there, but I don't want to be put in the position where we're one injury away from him being a starting CB again.

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patsfaninpittsburgh

Let me guess, last year you probably asked, "McCourty, who?"

Ofcourse it follows, why? Look at BB's answer last year.....

"You can never have too many good CB's."

I am not saying draft the kid. However, if he is a stud and the other guys coveted by patsfans.com are not graded as studs; it's not shocking to see a CB drafted even if patsfans.com doesn't value CB as a need.

If your coach says you can never have too many CB's, you should never be shocked if a CB is drafted, anywhere. With BB, his words and philosphy and action do tend to jive.

Shelterdog

But you have limited resources and a lot of needs to fill.

Right now we're one injury away from Brad Hoyer, Thomas Clayton, Ohrnberger, LeVoir, Kyle Love, or Eric Moore starting and, as of this second, Wendell and Kazcur would be starting.

If you can draft Deion Sanders at 17, sure, but if a very good corner and an only slightly less good outside linebacker are available you have to look at the position where you have a huge need.

Shelterdog

I was fine with the McCourty pick; at the time we had one good corner (Bodden) and a bunch of question marks.

Now we have two good corners, and the question marks (Arrington and even Butler and Wilhite) played much better.

everlong

Warren .19 sacks/game
Pryor .02 SPG
Wright .18 SPG
Nincovich .16 SPG (as a Patriot)
TBC .27 SPG (as a Patriot)

The guys you named don't bring pressure.

Vrabel .38 SPG (as a Patriot)
Seymour .32 SPG (as a Patriot)
McGinist .46 SPG (as a Patriot)
Colvin .40 SPG (as a Patriot)

It's not all about sacks but I don't know of a site that has cumulative pressures. I think we can assume the bottom four also brought pressure. You don't need a Warren Sapp DL or Derrick Thomas OLB but you need guys who can at least situationally bring the heat. The Patriots right now have none of these types of players. Offenses have to account for and scheme to stop nobody in the passing game.

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patsfaninpittsburgh

So basically your answer is to quote stats that's not all about and then say that you don't know of stats of pressure but then try to disprove but without stats.

Again, I don't care.

Mypoint was to explain why nobody should be shocked if a CB like this kid would be drafted.

everlong

I wouldn't be shocked if they drafted a CB if they thought he was the BPA however your prevailing point for a while now has been that the Patriots don't need a pass rusher. The stats were to prove a point that they do. I did put in the caveat that they don't include pressures to be balanced but the inference is if you're getting sacks you're probably getting some near misses along the way as well. Ditto with the Butler post. He had good coverage.

You get far to defensive and confrontational. All we have is a difference of opinion. No need not to keep it civil.

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Ochmed Jones

I don't think you can ever have too many good corners.

Especially if your pass rushers are among the worst in football.