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Great Job Cousin. A lot of thought went into your pics;
I have a difference of opinion on a couple choices. Merriweather is a gamble. He's small. He's a Thug. We already have that size safeties in Wilson and Sanders and we are getting killed back there (see Peyton) as the TE's are getting bigger and bigger.
NE didn't get killed because of small Safeties. They got killed because 1) Tedy has lost a step and isn't as good in coverage 2) Vrabel isn't as good in coverage, anymore. 3) Hawkins has started to slow, and is more of a backup. 3) Wilson was hurt, and hasn't played up to his former level. 4) Rodney was hurt. That's it. Also, I didn't have them picking Meriweather, I gave them 6' 202lbs Michael Griffin, so I don't understand why you had to talk about Meriweather's thugness. What's the sense of picking on the guy, when he wasn't even the selection?
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Josh Wilson? We already have a 5'8" 175 LB CB who plays big but gets beat. We need bigger CB's not smaller.
Wilson is 5'9.2" and weighs 189lbs. He's a very good CB, and he fits NE's defense well.
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I like Henry in the 4th. He's got speed and size. Jackson is like 205 Lbs. Kevin Faulk is even heavier.
Brandon Jackson is twice the RB Chris Henry ever thought of being. Where do you get some of this stuff? Brandon's 212lbs, not 205lbs. You know how heavy Maroney was coming out?
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Waters worst attribute was tackling. They say he is just plain bad. Got all the measurables but not a great tackler. Rather spend a cheap buck and get Hartwell (only 26) and see whats is available in 2008 if we can't get someone decent.
Again I'd like to know where you get some of this stuff. Waters is a good tackler, and all the Scouting reports I've looked at say just that.
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How about USC Dallas Sartz? They say he is a 6'5" 256 LB guy with an upside with some coaching. They say he is always around the ball.
He's a Safety to Coverage LB conversion. I don't really think he fits the system, and he's slow. Hopefully for the last time, where do you keep getting these numbers? Dallas Sartz is 6'4.7" and weighs 235lbs, thats a far cry from 256lbs, don't ya think?
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The only other I would not want is Davis at WR. There are three or four who could fall here with better stats and upside.
He's exactly the type of WR NE likes, and he's got more upside/ability than you might think. I don't think there are 3 or 4 WR's who could fall to the 6th round, who are better than Chris Davis, sorry. Go read the Chris Davis thread.
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Don't think they go for two O linemen in 2007.
Yea, I could see them going another direction, but I like both players, and they both seem to fit well. O'Callaghan had a few head injuries last year, so we don't know how healthy he'll be, and I think these two are better than some of the other O-Linemen currently on the roster.
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I applaud your effort. I like some of your picks (don’t agree with others). Good thorough research none the less. It seems like you put a lot of thought into it.
Yea, I've always said I like Meriweather, and hope they pick him, but I've also always said I don't expect them to.
What picks do you not agree with?
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Here's is my first attempt since the comps where announced, and probably my first in two weeks, or so.
Round 1, Pick# 24 - Jon Beason (WILB, Miami) Tedy Bruschi's future replacement: Thought about Timmons, Revis, or Staley, but I expect Revis to be gone, Timmons doesn't fit at WILB, and Staley is a little bit of a reach at 24.
Round 1, Pick# 28 - Michael Griffin (SS/FS, Texas) The Eagles go another direction and he falls to NE at 28: I considered taking Joe Staley instead of Griffin. I also thought about Chris Houston, but he's weak against the run, and might even go a little higher. I like Meriweather but he doesn't seem safe enough in the first round.
Round 3, Pick# 27 - Josh Wilson (CB, Maryland) He's their man. NE will trade up if they have to: I am aware that Josh Wilson could go higher, but probably not higher than early third, if it seems he'll go higher NE could trade up for him. Really I think he fits NE's defense better than any other CB's in the late 2nd-4th rounds. Wade was also an option, but he isn't polished, and DeAndre Jackson would have been a reach coming off his ACL.
Round 4, Pick# 28 - Brandon Jackson (RB, Nebraska): Brandon could go higher, but most sites have him rated as a 3rd-5th round talent, so his being available late fourth sounds reasonable to me. Other RB's I think they'll be interested in are: Lorenzo Booker, Dwayne Wright, Chris Henry, and Michael Bush.
Round 5, Comp - Anthony Waters (SILB, Clemson) He falls after the ACL injury: Taking this risk on Anthony Waters in the 5th makes sense considering his talent/ability before the injury, I don't think he goes any earlier considering that injury. If he recovers fully he'll be a very good LB.
Round 6, Pick# 6 - Dan Santucci (OG, Notre Dame): Santucci sounds like a Patriot from his descriptions, and I've seen him listed as a late rounder/FA on at least three websites. One site has him listed as an early day 2 guy, so he might not be available.
Round 6, Pick# 28 - Chris Davis (WR, Florida State) Fits NE's offense perfectly. Most sites have him as a 6th-7th- FA.
Round 6, Comp - Chris Denman (OT, Fresno State) NE could take him higher: Davis, and Denman both make sense, and after you read their scouting reports you'll notice they just sound like Patriots. NE has already taken an interest in Davis, as well.
Round 6, Comp - Antonio Johnson (DT, Mississippi St.) Big mean DT who should be a good backup for Wilfork.
Round 7, Comp - Isaiah Stanback (QB, Washington): They could draft Isaiah Stanback, or go an entirely different direction with this pick.
Tell me what you think? I have reasons for all these guys, and I think most if not all either fit need positions, fit well in NE's system, or have the potential to be the BPA when taken.
Well, I don't like Beason. I like Griffin, but I think that's too early. I'd rather take Wilson there and not worry about trading up for him. I like Jackson, but again too early. I like the pick of Waters. Not high on any of the others except Antonio Johnson. If he's there that late, that's a legit steal. He's one of the few guys in the draft that projects nicely to 3-4 DE.
Well thought out, thanks.
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Here's is my first attempt since the comps where announced, and probably my first in two weeks, or so.
Round 1, Pick# 24 - Jon Beason (WILB, Miami) Tedy Bruschi's future replacement: Thought about Timmons, Revis, or Staley, but I expect Revis to be gone, Timmons doesn't fit at WILB, and Staley is a little bit of a reach at 24.
Beason isn't my first pick at ILB, but not a bad pick.
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Round 1, Pick# 28 - Michael Griffin (SS/FS, Texas) The Eagles go another direction and he falls to NE at 28: I considered taking Joe Staley instead of Griffin. I also thought about Chris Houston, but he's weak against the run, and might even go a little higher. I like Meriweather but he doesn't seem safe enough in the first round.
You ding Chris Houston for not supporting the run, but then choose Michael Griffin who isn't great against the run and doesn't like to wrap up in his tackles because he'd rather go for the big hit?
No thanks.
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Round 3, Pick# 27 - Josh Wilson (CB, Maryland) He's their man. NE will trade up if they have to: I am aware that Josh Wilson could go higher, but probably not higher than early third, if it seems he'll go higher NE could trade up for him. Really I think he fits NE's defense better than any other CB's in the late 2nd-4th rounds. Wade was also an option, but he isn't polished, and DeAndre Jackson would have been a reach coming off his ACL.
While I agree that the Pats need a CB, I'm not sure waiting until the 3rd for Wilson is the way to go. Would have much preferred someone like Revis earlier.
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Round 4, Pick# 28 - Brandon Jackson (RB, Nebraska): Brandon could go higher, but most sites have him rated as a 3rd-5th round talent, so his being available late fourth sounds reasonable to me. Other RB's I think they'll be interested in are: Lorenzo Booker, Dwayne Wright, Chris Henry, and Michael Bush.
Injury liability. Not an inside runner. Not a great blocker. Who are you figuring he will replace?
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Round 5, Comp - Anthony Waters (SILB, Clemson) He falls after the ACL injury: Taking this risk on Anthony Waters in the 5th makes sense considering his talent/ability before the injury, I don't think he goes any earlier considering that injury. If he recovers fully he'll be a very good LB.
I like Waters, but not as a 5th rounder unless he shows something tomorrow at his private workout.
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Round 6, Pick# 6 - Dan Santucci (OG, Notre Dame): Santucci sounds like a Patriot from his descriptions, and I've seen him listed as a late rounder/FA on at least three websites. One site has him listed as an early day 2 guy, so he might not be available.
I don't see this happening. At all. The Patriots are stacked with guard/centers with Hochstein, Yates and Mruczkowski behind Koppen, Mankins and Neal. As its stands right now, one of them is probably going to be traded to get the Pats down to 9 OL.
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Round 6, Pick# 28 - Chris Davis (WR, Florida State) Fits NE's offense perfectly. Most sites have him as a 6th-7th- FA.
Good pick.
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Round 6, Comp - Chris Denman (OT, Fresno State) NE could take him higher: Davis, and Denman both make sense, and after you read their scouting reports you'll notice they just sound like Patriots. NE has already taken an interest in Davis, as well.
Read his bio and sorry, not wowed. Not even for a 6th round pick. I don't believe in wasting picks on players who aren't as good as the ones currently on the team and nothing tells me that he's better than the other 4 RTs we have on the team.
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Round 6, Comp - Antonio Johnson (DT, Mississippi St.) Big mean DT who should be a good backup for Wilfork.
Why Johnson over Soliai? Johnson strikes me more of a Mike Wright than he does a true back-up to Wilfork.
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Round 7, Comp - Isaiah Stanback (QB, Washington): They could draft Isaiah Stanback, or go an entirely different direction with this pick.
Tell me what you think? I have reasons for all these guys, and I think most if not all either fit need positions, fit well in NE's system, or have the potential to be the BPA when taken.
Not a bad attempt. I disagree with many of your picks because I don't see the value in the players that you do in the rounds that you have them. Other than Wilson and Davis, that is.
I wouldn't take Hairston in the 5th, considering all the talent at RB. Brandon Jackson could go anywhere from the third to the fifth, but he's really talented. Runs good outside, inside, breaks a lot of tackles, and has good receiving skills. Plus, he doesn't have that much wear on the tires.
Highlight reels are a waste of time and don't truly show how a player is.
As for how he runs inside, what sort of inside running plays was he doing? Draws? I ask because when I read stuff like Fumble-prone and not a good interior runner and poor blocker, it raises flags and makes me shy away.
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The two O-Linemen won't be wasted picks. Read the scouting reports on both and you'll notice how much they sound like recent Patriot draft picks on the o-Line. I think both could replace other guys already on the roster. also, I would rather take those two late, than one O-Linemen early. Maybe NE could take another Safety, or CB instead, but I was having a hard time finding good sixth round Safeties, and CB's. Daren Stone could last into the sixth, but some have him going in the 4th-5th rounds. I was looking at John Tally a lot, and some others. DeAndre Jackson probably goes in the fifth, even with his ACL.
Santucci is a wasted pick when you consider the commitments the Patriots have made to the interior line. They brought back Yates on a 3 year deal. They also brough back Mruczkowski, though on a 1 year deal. However, Mruczkowski can play center OR guard. From what I saw, Santucci is strictly a guard. They also have Barthelmes (C/G) who has been in the system and whom they made it a point to keep and send to NFLE. Now, Yates is safe for at least this year. I think that Hochstein is also safe for this year. I don't see the Pats carrying more than 5 interior linemen and 4OTs. If you think that Santucci has what it takes to beat out Berthelmes AND Mruczkowski, then you are right, he's not a wasted pick. I don't believe he does.
Can you say that Denman is at least as good as Kaczur, O'Callaghan, Bubin or Britt? I can say that Joe Staley is in that mix. But I can't about Denman. That is why I believe it would be a wasted pick.
As for how he runs inside, what sort of inside running plays was he doing? Draws? I ask because when I read stuff like Fumble-prone and not a good interior runner and poor blocker, it raises flags and makes me shy away.
He did fumble some early on at Nebraska, but he doesn't have that problem anymore, and he's good at running both inside, and outside. He's not close to being a reach in the fourth round either. I point this out because either yourself or someone else said that was to early.
DraftStock.com: "Strengths: Breaking tackles."
"Statline: 1,023 yards rushing and 313 receiving with 10 touchdowns as a junior in 2006."
"Will get a lot of attention because he breaks a lot of tackles while staying low to the ground, protects the football well."
"Strong runner with a low center of gravity that reminds me of a faster version of Travis Henry in his better days as a member of the Buffalo Bills."
"Jackson has already licked the problem that many running backs out of Nebraska seem to have (Mike Rozier, Correll Buckhalter, Roger Craig, Lawrence Phillips) which is fumbling the football."
"Became a willing receiver in the Nebraska offense in 2006 and has the ability to not only catch the ball but split out and run precise patterns."
"he can deliver just as much punishment as the people trying to make the tackle." Scouts Inc:
"He's a shifty back with excellent balance and body control."
"Shows good vision and possesses the initial burst to quickly hit the crease he sees developing"
"Runs with outstanding pad-level and always seems to be under control"
"He is a slippery runner"
"is elusive enough to consistently make defenders miss one-on-one in space."
"He shows good toughness as an inside runner and will keep his legs driving after contact."
"He's a reliable underneath receiver and is shifty and dangerous after the catch."
"doesn't have much mileage on his legs."
"In our opinion, Jackson is one of the more underrated prospects in the 2007 class and could be a steal in the second or third round."
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Santucci is a wasted pick when you consider the commitments the Patriots have made to the interior line. They brought back Yates on a 3 year deal. They also brough back Mruczkowski, though on a 1 year deal. However, Mruczkowski can play center OR guard. From what I saw, Santucci is strictly a guard. They also have Barthelmes (C/G) who has been in the system and whom they made it a point to keep and send to NFLE. Now, Yates is safe for at least this year. I think that Hochstein is also safe for this year. I don't see the Pats carrying more than 5 interior linemen and 4OTs. If you think that Santucci has what it takes to beat out Berthelmes AND Mruczkowski, then you are right, he's not a wasted pick. I don't believe he does.
From what I've seen and read, he's a better prospect than most of the guys you listed. Also, from what I understand he might also be able to play center, and is very versatile. He used to be a defensive Linemen, then converted to O-Line. He's 6'3.5" and weighs 301-305lbs. Runs the 40 in 5.13, which is good for an O-linemen. He also had the third fastest three cone (7.47).
Some of the things about his game that I like can be found in this scouting report:NFLDraftCountdown.com
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Can you say that Denman is at least as good as Kaczur, O'Callaghan, Bubin or Britt? I can say that Joe Staley is in that mix. But I can't about Denman. That is why I believe it would be a wasted pick.
He's better than Britt, and Babin. Also, O'Callaghan had more than one head injury last year, and had some injury problems in college, as well. I think O'Callaghan has all the talent and tools to become a good O-Linemen, but he's still got those same injury concerns. Denman has a lot of what NE looks for in theirO-Linemen, and he also comes from the same program that produced Logan Mankins. Denman is 6'6.5" 315lbs, a really good run blocker, and plays mean. He's also very intelligent, bust his butt for you, has long arms and hands, is very coachable, and durable. He's started 43 games straight at Fresno State.
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You ding Chris Houston for not supporting the run, but then choose Michael Griffin who isn't great against the run and doesn't like to wrap up in his tackles because he'd rather go for the big hit?
No thanks.
Is this a joke?? lol- I think you have been reading too many online scouting reports, and may have your safety's confused.
Griffin is one of the best (if not the best) wrap up tackler in the draft.
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Is this a joke?? lol- I think you have been reading too many online scouting reports, and may have your safety's confused.
Griffin is one of the best (if not the best) wrap up tackler in the draft.
Oh really? Guess you need to take your head out of the sand because when I see flags such as:
"Inconsistent tackler on run support"
"Over-matched in the box. Lacks lower body strength"
"Because he is better in space than in the box, might make a better free safety at the next level"
"Will miss some tackles while trying to deliver the knock out blow."
Guess what. That isn't just "on-line draft sites" making those comments. BTW, you are the twit who was knocking NFLDraftScout.com only to be shown how stupid you were in citing FoxSports.com who gets their information from NFLDraftScout.com.
Here are some second day picks that I kind of like. I assume that one of the 6th rounders will be used tomove up a little in the third to position for whoever they pick there.
Here are second day picks in no particular order and I've added more than the # of picks since some will be gone:
Zak DeOssie LB
Danny Sepulveda P
Courtney Taylor WR
Josh Gattis S
Paul Soliai NT
Jeff Rowe QB
Lorenzo Booker RB
Toby Korrodi QB as a Free Agent
Contrary to what others have posted, I can see the Pats taking 2 OL guys in the draft on day 2(an OG and an OT). I think the right side is in need of an upgrade or at worst, some new competition.
If you replace Waters with DeOssie, I'd call that a successful draft for the Pats.
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Please… do tell. lol-
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