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Old 03-31-2007, 10:18 PM   #1
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We're in the middle of a 7 round mock draft over at saintsreport.com. I've taken on the New England Patriots. (Trades allowed, only using 2007 draft picks however, no one wanted to keep up with a salary cap)

Anyways, I identified 3 major needs for New England

1. Free Safety, ideally one versatile enough to play SS and Nickel/Dimeback as well.

2. Interior Linebacker (3-4/4-3)

3. Complimentary back for Marooney


My initial plan was to try and get Puz (LB Penn St.) at #24 and then take Weddle at #28. I also considered the idea of making a play for Adrian Peterson is he slipped into #8-#10 (he didn't).

Pittsburgh, as you see below, ended up taking Puz at #20 which kind of killed my options at #24. I ended up taking Jarvis Moss. I considered going Justin Blalock who I think is going to be a really good Guard or Right Tackle but Jarvis Moss represented really good value at #24. I realize you guys have Colvin and now Thomas but Colvin can be upgraded and I considered Jarvis Moss the #2 pass rusher in the draft (after Gaines Adams) and ideal for the 3-4 as an OLB.

I then took a risk and traded back from #28 with Oakland (who wanted Blalock ahead of the Ravens) and ended up with Weddle at #33 and an extra 4th rounder (#100).

The net result is I know have #91, #100, #127 and the regular New England compliment of 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders. Weddle is ideal for filling the #1 need, he can play SS, FS, and Nickel/Dime back, giving you secruity behind Wilson and Harrison this season and making Wilson potentially expendable next year. But Moss was a pure luxury pick, however good value he was, and now i'm looking to fill ILB and RB in the 3rd/4th rounds. The pickings are going to be slim.

Anyways, below is the first 2 rounds (and record of the trades) and my draft board for the 3rd round. Thoughts would be appreciated.

The notes in parentheses are trades executed on the board

First Round
1. Oakland - JaMarcus Russell
2. Detroit - Calvin Johnson
3. Cleveland - Adrian Peterson
4. Tampa Bay - Joe Thomas
5. Arizona - Amobi Okoye
6. San Fransico (from Washington 1) - Ted Ginn Jr.
7. Minnesota - Gaines Adams
8. Atlanta - LaRon Landry
9. Miami - Brady Quinn
10. Houston - Levi Brown
11. Washington (from San Fransico 1) - Jamaal Anderson
12. Buffalo - Patrick Willis
13. St. Louis - Alan Branch
14. Jacksonville (from Carolina 2) - Leon Hall
15. NY Giants (from Pittsburgh 3) - Marshawn Lynch
16. Tennessee (from Green Bay 4) - Darrelle Revis
17. Carolina (from Jacksonville 2) - Reggie Nelson
18. Cincinnati - Adam Carriker
19. Green Bay (from Tennessee 4) - Greg Olsen
20. Pittsburgh (from NY Giants 3) - Paul Posluszny
21. Philadelphia (from Denver 5) - Dwayne Bowe
22. Dallas - Aaron Ross
23. Kansas City - Chris Houston
--24. New England - Jarvis Moss
25. NY Jets - Marcus McCauley
26. Indianapolis (from Denver 6 from Philadelphia 5) - Lawrence Timmons
27. New Orleans - Robert Meachem
28. Oakland (from New England 8) - Justin Blalock
29. Baltimore - Anthony Spencer
30. San Diego - Michael Griffin
31. Pittsburgh (from Chicago 9) - Ryan Kalil
32. Denver (from Indianapolis 6) - Charles Johnson

Second Round
--33. New England (from Oakland 8) - Eric Weddle
34. Detroit - Ben Grubbs
35. Tampa Bay - Dwayne Jarrett
36. Chicago (from Pittsburgh 9 from Cleveland 7) - Jon Beason
37. Chicago - Zach Miller
38. Arizona - Tony Ugoh
39. Atlanta - Joe Staley
40. Miami - Brandon Meriweather
41. Minnesota - Sidney Rice
42. San Francisco - Rufus Alexander
43. Buffalo - Michael Bush
44. Atlanta - Tim Crowder
45. Tennessee (from Jacksonville 10 from Carolina 2) - Steve Smith
46. Cleveland (from Pittsburgh 7) - Daymeion Hughes
47. Denver (from Green Bay 11) - Justin Harrell
48. Carolina (from Jacksonville 2) - DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler
49. Cincinnati - Eric Wright
50. Jacksonville (from Tennessee 10) - David Harris
51. New York Giants - Brandon Siler
52. St. Louis - Tanard Jackson
53. Dallas- Arron Sears
54. Kansas City - Craig Davis
55. Seattle - Quinn Pit****
56. Denver - Jason Hill
57. Green Bay (from Denver 11 from Philadelphia 5) - Antonio Pittman
58. New Orleans - Buster Davis
59. Baltimore (from NY Jets 13) - Brian Leonard
60. Miami - Anthony Gonzalez
61. NY Jets (from Baltimore 13) - Victor Abiamiri
62. San Diego - LaMarr Woodley
63. NY Jets - Josh Beekman
64. Tampa Bay

1 - Washington's #6 for San Fransico's #11, #76, and #147

2 - Jacksonville has traded their #17 (round 1), #48 (round 2), and #79 (round 3) to Carolina for its #14 (round 1), #45 (round 2), and #191 (round 6)

3 - Pittsburgh trades its #15 pick (round 1) to New York (Giants) for its #20 pick (round 1), #81 pick (round 3), and #116 pick (round 4)

4 - Tennessee trades its #19 pick (round 1) and its #115 (round 4) to Green Bay for its #16 pick (round 1)

5 - Philadelphia trades its #26 (round 1), #59 (round 2), and #236 (round 7) to Denver for its #21 (round 1) and #70 (round 3)

6 - Denver trades pick #26 (From Philly) to Indianapolis for pick #32 and pick #95.

7 - Cleveland trades its #36 (round 2) and #178 (round 6) to Pittsburgh for its #46 (round 1), #116 (round 4), #119 (round 4) and #227 (round 7)

8 - Oakland trades it's #33 (round 2) and #100 (round 4) to New England for it's #28 (round 1).

9 - Pittsburgh has traded its #36 (round 2) and #81 (3rd round) to Chicago for its #31 (round 1) and #94 (round 3)

10 - Tennessee has traded its #50 pick (round 2) and its #188 pick (round 6) to Jacksonville for its #45 pick (round 2).

11 - The Denver Broncos have traded pick #57(2nd) and pick #95(3rd) to the Green Bay Packers for pick # 47(2nd) and pick #193(6th).

12 - Jacksonville sends their #188 (6), #191 (6) to San Francisco for their #110 (4).

13 - NY Jets send their #59 (round 2) to Baltimore for Baltimore's #61 (round 2) and #166 (round 5)




Draft Board
1-David Irons - CB
2-Jason Hill - WR
3-Ray McDonald - DE
4-Turk McBride - DE/DT
5-Anthony Waters - ILB
6-HB Blades - ILB
7-Chris Henry - RB
8-Josh Wilson - CB
9-Justin Durant - ILB
10-Zak DeOssie -ILB
11-Brandon Mebane - NT
12-Paul Soliai - NT
13-Tony Hunt - RB
14-Michael Coe - CB
15-Fred Bennett - CB
16-Doug Free - G/T
17-Ryan Harris - T
18-Allen Barbre - G/T
19-Johnnie Lee Higgins Jr. - WR
20-Manueal Ramirez - T

This bottom group are guys who are total non-needs but I want to keep tabs on. Yes the slipping of QBs, Stanton and Edwards, is not realistic. No one wants to "waste" a pick on QBs
-Quentin Moses - DE/LB
-Brian Robison - DE/LB
-Drew Stanton - QB
-Trent Edwards - QB

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Old 03-31-2007, 10:40 PM   #2
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On the whole, you seem to be very much on top of things. Bravo!

Here's my take on your draft from here on out:

1. CB is a real need. Even if we assume Asante Samuel is resigned, Gay is a UFA after next season too. Josh Wilson would be a great pickup.

2. There aren't many good candidate backup NTs in the draft. It's a "need", and in a strong NT draft I'd be screaming for one in the mid rounds. But the Patriots can muddle through if they have to. The top 4 DEs all have played NT competently at various times in their career -- not just in rotation, but starting (possibly all four of them).

3. If you LOVE a punter it's sensible to grab him. But the Pats have two good vets and two youngsters under contract, or close to it. And they paid Miller's roster bonus.

4. A high-round OT would make sense. Mid-round, not so much, given their depth.

5. Interior OL would make no sense, especially for a non-elite pick.

6. Third QB? Roster spots are tight, but sure.

7. ANY position can be drafted if the guy's low enough level that he can be cut to the PS.
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I'd say Deossie Would be your best bet if you can steal him in the top of the 4th But with 91 i'd take one of the CBs as insurance
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On the whole, you seem to be very much on top of things. Bravo!

Here's my take on your draft from here on out:

1. CB is a real need. Even if we assume Asante Samuel is resigned, Gay is a UFA after next season too. Josh Wilson would be a great pickup.
I'm really really high on David Irons and am considering trying to trade up to get him. The issue is I'd like to get a CB, RB, and ILB with the 3 3rd/4th round picks. In particular I like Chris Henry at #100 maybe. So i'm torn between trying to move up for a guy I really like and staying back and filling multiple positions.



By the way, we're going to all keep track of the draft picks throughout the season and revisit the mock draft after the season to determine who did the best. So I have significant bragging rights at stake with my picks. Everyone would love to pick the next Colston
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Draft Board
1-David Irons - CB
2-Jason Hill - WR
3-Ray McDonald - DE
4-Turk McBride - DE/DT
5-Anthony Waters - ILB
6-HB Blades - ILB
7-Chris Henry - RB
8-Josh Wilson - CB
9-Justin Durant - ILB
10-Zak DeOssie -ILB
11-Brandon Mebane - NT
12-Paul Soliai - NT
13-Tony Hunt - RB
14-Michael Coe - CB
15-Fred Bennett - CB
16-Doug Free - G/T
17-Ryan Harris - T
18-Allen Barbre - G/T
19-Johnnie Lee Higgins Jr. - WR
20-Manueal Ramirez - T

This bottom group are guys who are total non-needs but I want to keep tabs on. Yes the slipping of QBs, Stanton and Edwards, is not realistic. No one wants to "waste" a pick on QBs
-Quentin Moses - DE/LB
-Brian Robison - DE/LB
-Drew Stanton - QB
-Trent Edwards - QB

i like manny ramirez ! j/k. for me, i'd be looking at henry, hunt, deossie or wilson. you like irons ? good genes, but he seems to have been around for a while, a little old for a rookie.
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I think most fans would have been happy with Merriweather and Beason. But Moss and Weddle are a nice fit. Congratulations.

Your trade down was fantastic, and very Belichick.
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Thanks for posting, interesting stuff. Just so you know, I think a lot of us would crap ourselves if BB/Pioli drafted Polusnzalphabet and Weddle at #24 and #28. I'd much rather end up with Jarvis Moss than Polusz and Weddle is a better pick at #33 than #28 - 'though I'd venture to say he's more likely to go in the 40's that the 30's.

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1. Free Safety, ideally one versatile enough to play SS and Nickel/Dimeback as well.

2. Interior Linebacker (3-4/4-3)

3. Complimentary back for Marooney

You are correct.


My initial plan was to take Weddle at #28.

Griffin would have been a better pick.
Nice job overall.
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eh i hate the Moss pick..we hajve 3 OLBs ..2 might rotate while 1 plays inside but we need a run stopper in the middle but since u already chose him over lets say Timmons..i would take Wilson. Hes a short guy who loves to hit..can return and although hes 5"9 he doesnt back down from anyone including Calvin
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thanks for the post, keeps things interesting.really apreciate the input.
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