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GoWesleyan · 03-22-2007, 10:43 AM

I'd rather have someone go bump good threads than have a slew of stickies that, like Patchick said, I end up tuning out.

Brady'sButtBoy · 03-22-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

I have a hard time projecting rebuilding teams, such as Atlanta and Tampa, using both second round selections in a trade. It would make more sense to use one selection and a combination of second day and 2008 picks so they don't have too large a hole in their draft. Especially if the talent/value ratio is so much better in the second as you suggest.

You could look at "rebuilding" that way, or you could argue that such teams need stars as much or even more than depth. You can have a bunch of solid players but they won't win you a SB without a Brady, Dillon, Seymour, Bruschi, etc. Ironically, teams with less talent may not have the luxury of being very disciplined about their picks. When you're desperate for a leading man or two, you might need to take chances such as gambling you know the draft well enough that an extra 1st round pick will yield you a star, not just a contributor.

BTW, the draft pick value chart indicates that the Pats would have to throw in at least a fourth to even out the points value of swapping 24 for two seconds, especially Atlanta's because both picks are fairly high. I'd still do it - with all the talent on the Pats right now the odds are stacked against a 4th rounder making the team anyway.

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 03-22-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brady'sButtBoy

You could look at "rebuilding" that way, or you could argue that such teams need stars as much or even more than depth. You can have a bunch of solid players but they won't win you a SB without a Brady, Dillon, Seymour, Bruschi, etc. Ironically, teams with less talent may not have the luxury of being very disciplined about their picks. When you're desperate for a leading man or two, you might need to take chances such as gambling you know the draft well enough that an extra 1st round pick will yield you a star, not just a contributor.

BTW, the draft pick value chart indicates that the Pats would have to throw in at least a fourth to even out the points value of swapping 24 for two seconds, especially Atlanta's because both picks are fairly high. I'd still do it - with all the talent on the Pats right now the odds are stacked against a 4th rounder making the team anyway.

Certainly there are some profligate GMs who might choose that price, Tampa doesn't seem likely to follow that course and while McKay may do something like that at Atlanta, it doesn't seem likely for a late first prospect. Teams with less talent are the ones who should be the most disciplined with their picks, should being the operative word of course. The other negative aspect of fans looking at two seconds for a late first is the wishful thinking involved. As for giving a fourth to Atlanta, I'd rather have the fourth with the pool of players who seem to be pegged for the middle rounds.

***DaBruinz*** · 03-22-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brady'sButtBoy

You could look at "rebuilding" that way, or you could argue that such teams need stars as much or even more than depth. You can have a bunch of solid players but they won't win you a SB without a Brady, Dillon, Seymour, Bruschi, etc. Ironically, teams with less talent may not have the luxury of being very disciplined about their picks. When you're desperate for a leading man or two, you might need to take chances such as gambling you know the draft well enough that an extra 1st round pick will yield you a star, not just a contributor.

BTW, the draft pick value chart indicates that the Pats would have to throw in at least a fourth to even out the points value of swapping 24 for two seconds, especially Atlanta's because both picks are fairly high. I'd still do it - with all the talent on the Pats right now the odds are stacked against a 4th rounder making the team anyway.

Except that the Draft Value chart is outdated due to the changes in the signing structure of rookie contracts.

***patchick*** · 03-22-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bosfan

Am hoping we make a deal getting back a second and a day one pick next season.......

Here's a scenario: Arizona misses out on Joe Thomas, goes defense, and Joe Staley makes it to #24. The Pats could very realistically threaten to take Staley themselves unless the Cardinals fork over at least #38 and next year's #2.

Brady'sButtBoy · 03-23-2007, 09:15 AM

seems quite feasible, interesting scenario. I bet you're right about such a trade being a fluid draft day thing and not something done in advance.