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Remix 6 · 02-14-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

Houston's a great cover guy, but is not great vs. the run and drops alot of picks. Not a playmaker, so probably a very good #2 cb in the NFL. Is that worth a rd 1 pick? I'm not sure. The Pats know how to draft solid CB talent in the middle rounds (Samuel, Hobbs). If they're going to draft a cb in rd 1, I'd rather he was a complete cb: a potential playmaker, good in coverage AND good in run support. Revis, Hall, Hughes, Ross, Wright seem better to me than Houston because of that.

hes not a #1 CB b/c he doesnt make plays? Asante dropped a ton..McAlister didnt really rack up picks in past.

a lot of CBs have questions about run support..hes my #2 CB right now..if he runs a 4.3 range..hes #1.

PonyExpress · 02-14-2007, 04:45 PM

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hes not a #1 CB b/c he doesnt make plays? Asante dropped a ton..McAlister didnt really rack up picks in past.

a lot of CBs have questions about run support..hes my #2 CB right now..if he runs a 4.3 range..hes #1.

Houston is a great athlete, but Arkansas made him a gunner on special teams instead of a punt returner because he has hands of stone. He dropped alot of easy INTs just this year, and doesn't like to support vs. the run. A cb who has little special teams value, is reluctant in run support, and doesn't make big plays, doesn't seem like a 1st rd pick to me. There are alot of CBs in this draft who can help on special teams as kick returners because of their hands, like Revis, or AJ Davis. Their ability to handle kicks translates to their ability to intercept passes. Houston played cb as a senior in HS and was never an elite "skill position" player used to handling the ball. Asante was a HS QB, and Ty Law said he had amazing ball skills even as a rookie. It didn't translate to the field until his 3rd year preseason, but I don't really see that potential in Houston.

Seymour93 · 02-14-2007, 04:51 PM

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Houston is a great athlete, but Arkansas made him a gunner on special teams instead of a punt returner because he has hands of stone. He dropped alot of easy INTs just this year, and doesn't like to support vs. the run. A cb who has little special teams value, is reluctant in run support, and doesn't make big plays, doesn't seem like a 1st rd pick to me. There are alot of CBs in this draft who can help on special teams as kick returners because of their hands, like Revis, or AJ Davis. Their ability to handle kicks translates to their ability to intercept passes. Houston played cb as a senior in HS and was never an elite "skill position" player used to handling the ball. Asante was a HS QB, and Ty Law said he had amazing ball skills even as a rookie. It didn't translate to the field until his 3rd year preseason, but I don't really see that potential in Houston.

Well I'll take a great cover guy who can knock passes down over someone who isn't as good but can catch a pass.

We saw in SD what happens when DB's get the ball.

PonyExpress · 02-14-2007, 05:00 PM

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Well I'll take a great cover guy who can knock passes down over someone who isn't as good but can catch a pass.

We saw in SD what happens when DB's get the ball.

Fortunately, the Pats don't have to make that choice, because there are several prospects who can do both. Houston doesn;t seem to be one of them. I don't think Houston is appreciably better in coverage than the other 2nd rd caliber Cbs like Wade, Wright, Davis, Irons. Davis and Wade, renowned college track athletes, are just as athletic, if not more athletic than Houston, and just as capable of knocking away passes.

Remix 6 · 02-14-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

Houston is a great athlete, but Arkansas made him a gunner on special teams instead of a punt returner because he has hands of stone. He dropped alot of easy INTs just this year, and doesn't like to support vs. the run. A cb who has little special teams value, is reluctant in run support, and doesn't make big plays, doesn't seem like a 1st rd pick to me. There are alot of CBs in this draft who can help on special teams as kick returners because of their hands, like Revis, or AJ Davis. Their ability to handle kicks translates to their ability to intercept passes. Houston played cb as a senior in HS and was never an elite "skill position" player used to handling the ball. Asante was a HS QB, and Ty Law said he had amazing ball skills even as a rookie. It didn't translate to the field until his 3rd year preseason, but I don't really see that potential in Houston.

okay...Hobbs hasnt shown me hes a ball hawk and he did fine returning kicks

catching a punt/kickoff is a lot different than catching a pass from a QB

im sure hes working on that right now because hes aware. its not impossible to comeback and have great hands..Asante went from dropping so many to having 10 picks..still not perefect hands but huge improvment and anyone out there can fix that problem.

Seymour93 · 02-14-2007, 05:17 PM

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Fortunately, the Pats don't have to make that choice, because there are plenty of prospects who can do both. I don't think Houston is appreciably better in coverage than the other 2nd rd caliber Cbs like Wade, Wright, Davis, Irons. Davis and Wade, renowned college track athletes, are just as athletic, if not more athletic than Houston, and just as capable of knocking away passes.

I'm just curious, don't take offense because that's not my intention. Have you actually broke down film of/analyzed said players? I haven't. But I'm going by draft guides who say Houston is a 1st rounder and excellent in coverage. You're the only one who seems down on Houston and I'm interested as to why that is.

Remix 6 · 02-14-2007, 05:31 PM

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I'm just curious, don't take offense because that's not my intention. Have you actually broke down film of/analyzed said players? I haven't. But I'm going by draft guides who say Houston is a 1st rounder and excellent in coverage. You're the only one who seems down on Houston and I'm interested as to why that is.

he already said why..he says Houston doesnt wanna come up against run and says he has STONE hands

PonyExpress · 02-14-2007, 05:44 PM

I don't have the skill or expertise to "break down" film like BOR or pats 1, and would never claim to have it. Like many other fans I watch a lot of college football and draft season events and draw my own conclusions. Then I like to compare my own thoughts with what I find out about certain players from what I consider trustworthy sources of draft information. The majority of run-of-the-mill sites derive their "rankings" from preseason lists leaked by the BLESTO and National scouting services, and then pretend to come up with the rankings on their own. Then they may do a smattering of film work, for which they are probably unqualified, and jump to conclusions about a players' "stock" based on "reports" and "rumors" and combine numbers. Trying to sort through the morass of misinformation can be difficult, but I believe nfldraftscout.com is a pretty reliable site that does its own filmwork and draws its own conclusions. All the criticisms of Houston I offered are mentioned there even more starkly. They compare Houston to Ahmad Carroll, 1st rd bust from GB a few years back. Houston will probably be a solid cb with some deficiencies that can be overcome, but because of those deficiencies I wouldn't risk a 1st rdr on him when other more complete players will be available.

The Gr8est · 02-14-2007, 06:03 PM

Well if Houston has some great workouts and shoots up the charts, then someone else slides. It's good for the Pats regardless.

Seymour93 · 02-14-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

I don't have the skill or expertise to "break down" film like BOR or pats 1, and would never claim to have it. Like many other fans I watch a lot of college football and draft season events and draw my own conclusions. Then I like to compare my own thoughts with what I find out about certain players from what I consider trustworthy sources of draft information. The majority of run-of-the-mill sites derive their "rankings" from preseason lists leaked by the BLESTO and National scouting services, and then pretend to come up with the rankings on their own. Then they may do a smattering of film work, for which they are probably unqualified, and jump to conclusions about a players' "stock" based on "reports" and "rumors" and combine numbers. Trying to sort through the morass of misinformation can be difficult, but I believe nfldraftscout.com is a pretty reliable site that does its own filmwork and draws its own conclusions. All the criticisms of Houston I offered are mentioned there even more starkly. They compare Houston to Ahmad Carroll, 1st rd bust from GB a few years back. Houston will probably be a solid cb with some deficiencies that can be overcome, but because of those deficiencies I wouldn't risk a 1st rdr on him when other more complete players will be available.

Ok, your with the rest of us.

NFLdraftscout is a pay site so I'm unable to access all of their info. I'm pretty sure they had the Pats taking Houston in their mock recently though.