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Old 02-24-2010, 12:25 PM   #1
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Preconditions: I haven't made any trades for players, although Adam Carriker and Quentin Groves interest me, and probably could be had relatively cheaply. But I don't pretend to know the trade market right now, so I'd hesitate to guess how cheaply. I would also bring in Larry Foote, but that really isn't germaine to the draft. The only FA of significance I have leaving is Ben Watson. I'm not planning on Adalius being here either. I haven't traded any Patriots players for draft picks, but that could well happen.

I've also used WalterFootball's mock draft as a guide as to who would be available through the early second round. Primarily because it was updated yesterday. I'm planning on 3 comp picks, all in the seventh round. OK, shall we?

First 13 off the board are Clausen, Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Okung, Berry, Haden, Campbell, Davis, Pierre-Paul, Bryant, McClain, and Spiller.

As I see one name missing, and Seattle with an extra pick in the first, I'm offering #22 and one of the second round picks, let's say the middle one, for #14. Seattle, already having drafted Berry @ #6, needs a QB, but this is too early for the likes of McCoy or Crompton. They can trade back, get their QB, and also their much-needed OL help. The Patriots, on the other hand, get Derrick Morgan OLB Georgia Tech. My draft board is already blown up, but finally Belichick gets his hands on the next Willie McGinest, Disrupter of Offenses Extraordinaire. Draft board, schmaft board.

Off the board until we pick again go Bulaga, Price, T Williams, D Williams, Graham, E Thomas, Mays, Gresham, Brown, Dunlop, LaFell, Weatherspoon, Iupati, Odrick, Kindle, Warren, Pouncey, Griffin, G Tate, K Wilson, Benn, Cody, Veldheer, N Allen, P Robinson, Best, C Thomas, McCourty, and Hughes.

Patriot selections follow:

2A Aaron Hernandez TE Florida I don't buy the theory that a receiving TE is a waste because BB doesn't use them in the offense. If he had Dallas Clark, believe me he'd use him. Hernandez is a nice weapon from the Ted or the Z.

2C Traded down for a later 2nd/early third and another third/early fourth

2/3 AJ Edds ILB Iowa Athletically limited, but highly productive. Good size/quickness to play ILB for us. So long, Eric Alexander...it's been......real?

3/4 Taylor Price WR Ohio Don't sleep on this kid...small school pedigree, but he's a Top 8 WR in this draft.

4 Vince Oghobaase DE Duke I watched several games in 2008 where Oghobaase dominated some pretty good ACC linemen. He seemed to regress a bit this year, but he's an intelligent player with ideal size for the 5.

6 Dmitri Nance RB Arizona St Follows former running back greats Leonard Russell and JR Redmond from Tempe to Foxborough....which is rather like dating Megan Fox, breaking up, and then shacking up with the girl from the Globo Gym dodgeball team. He's a bruiser though, and has starter upside.

7th Round - Package the two tradeable ones to move up earlier in the 7th or even late 6th. With the four picks I've got Matt Dodge P East Carolina, Bill Stull QB Pittsburgh, Scott Long WR Louisville, and Austin Steichan C/G Northern Iowa

So there. Questions, Comments, Concerns?
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:37 PM   #2
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As I see one name missing, and Seattle with an extra pick in the first, I'm offering #22 and one of the second round picks, let's say the middle one, for #14. Seattle, already having drafted Berry @ #6, needs a QB, but this is too early for the likes of McCoy or Crompton. They can trade back, get their QB, and also their much-needed OL help. The Patriots, on the other hand, get Derrick Morgan OLB Georgia Tech. My draft board is already blown up, but finally Belichick gets his hands on the next Willie McGinest, Disrupter of Offenses Extraordinaire. Draft board, schmaft board.
I could comment on your other picks but getting Morgan would make my day. I'm not a trade-up enthusiast but he would be worth it. Perfect match of need, scheme and value.
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So there. Questions, Comments, Concerns?
Do you think it would cost #22 + #57 for #14?

You pointed out in another thread that Detroit turned down 3 for 20 and 33.
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Ive been surprised that Morgan's name has not been brought up to much yet. There has been alot of talk about trading up to the early teen's to get McClain, but Morgan seems to be in more of a need position then McClain. My question is can Morgan play the elephant/OLB position, ala McGinnest? Can he cover?
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Do you think it would cost #22 + #57 for #14?

You pointed out in another thread that Detroit turned down 3 for 20 and 33.
In that scenario, Detroit had the 20 & 33. KC wanted to trade down. Many teams probably would have accepted that deal. I have no idea what the actual cost would be in my hypothetical, although in my mock I had us giving #47/48, not #57, which we don't actually have (#53 is the other). Everything runs case by case. I believe Seattle comes out slightly ahead in the outdated trade chart, and it makes sense that they might want to trade down to get more high picks to help them turn that team around.
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In that scenario, Detroit had the 20 & 33. KC wanted to trade down. Many teams probably would have accepted that deal.
That's just one example and I actually don't think many team would accept that deal with all the rumors of the top 4 in this year's draft trying to trade down. Then I look at the Baltimore-Jax trade a few years ago where Jax went up to 9 from 26 I believe and gave up a couple of thirds or a third and a fourth I forget the details.

Point is lacking a 3rd perhaps if they want to move up they could do something like our first and one of the seconds for their first and third. I could be wrong but I bet with the current value it would be closer.
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There's been some talk that Morgan isn't a good fit at 3-4 OLB and is strictly a 4-3 DE due to his hips. It will be something to watch for at the combine for sure.
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There's been some talk that Morgan isn't a good fit at 3-4 OLB and is strictly a 4-3 DE due to his hips. It will be something to watch for at the combine for sure.
He can set the edge and he can run the passer. He seems to have the short-area quickness to cover the flat zones. Can he drop back effectively? I don't care at this point in light of what he can do. If he's terrible moving backwards, BB will find a way to use him while not exposing him.
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He can set the edge and he can run the passer. He seems to have the short-area quickness to cover the flat zones. Can he drop back effectively? I don't care at this point in light of what he can do. If he's terrible moving backwards, BB will find a way to use him while not exposing him.
I'm on board with your pick here, although I would be just as happy with Odrick at 22 and save the 2 2nd round picks.

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"Final Word: Morgan is by far the most versatile defensive end in this draft class, but the talent is right there to match it. He has the ideal frame, measurables, technique, and attitude for life in the trenches. The thing that needs to be looked in to the most however is the issue he has with balance. He spends way too much time on the ground, as he gets too reckless and loses his sense of footwork. He also struggled against some of his toughest competition while beating up on lineman that just might have a shot at the NFL. With that said, it is rare to come by such a talented prospect that understands the importance of technique and work ethic. If he is put in to a system that allows him to move around and exploit matchup problems, Morgan can turn in to an All-Pro very soon."

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Patriot selections follow:

2A Aaron Hernandez TE Florida I don't buy the theory that a receiving TE is a waste because BB doesn't use them in the offense. If he had Dallas Clark, believe me he'd use him. Hernandez is a nice weapon from the Ted or the Z.

2C Traded down for a later 2nd/early third and another third/early fourth

2/3 AJ Edds ILB Iowa Athletically limited, but highly productive. Good size/quickness to play ILB for us. So long, Eric Alexander...it's been......real?

3/4 Taylor Price WR Ohio Don't sleep on this kid...small school pedigree, but he's a Top 8 WR in this draft.

So there. Questions, Comments, Concerns?
(22) J. Odrick
2A Walter football picked Damian Williams here. You picked A. Hernandez, who compares to Dallas Clark as TE/WR hybrid. Too bad Benn is gone.
I pick D. Williams
2B Sapp or Misi
2C Aaron Hernandez

Really like the Taylor Price pick!

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