stevedogc

Looking at the current list of potential FA's in a bit troubling. I think the Pats are in desperate need for upgrades with the WR and TE position. But I dont see any potential FA's who seems would make a huge difference. So what are the Pats options for possibly trading for players from other teams, alla Corey Dillon and Randy Moss in years past? Anyone have any players they think may be on the block and what they could cost the Pats. DW Toys brought up a good idea with Santana Moss and Chris Cooley from Washington. I disagreed with him on the cost for the Pats to get these guys, but I think either one would certainly help out Brady and the Pats. A team like Washington is in serious rebuilding mode with a new coach and GM and may be looking to trade off older players to re-stock in the draft. Cooley may be harder to get, but I think Moss at 30 may be able to be traded for.

any other thoughts?

FreeTedWilliams

I think that you must look at the Pats offenseive scheme as the reason for the TE troubles. Watson is a very good TE, and he just doens't get the touches in this offense. I doubt that putting TE (X) on the Pats is going to change this fact.

Look at Dave Thomas, an outstanding college TE who was a steal in the 3rd round. Three years later the Pats trade him off for a 2011 7th rd pick, and he is about to play in his 2nd SB in 4 years. He has more than held is own in NO in fact playing as Shockeys back-up he has more cathes (35), first downs, and TDs this year than he did in all 3 years as a Patriot COMBINED. That is a "system" problem and not a "player" issue.

Check out Daniel Graham's numbers (same system) he had 28 catches this year (Watson had 29). What gets really scary is if you take away the opening game where Watson had 6 catches and 2 TDs, the other 16 games he had 23 catches and 3 TDs.

Again, ITS THE SYSTEM, and not the TEs, bringing in a "new" TE, is not going to solve this.

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ctpatsfan77

To be fair, that's not quite a legitimate comparison.

The 2007 season was a washout, and in 2006 he was stuck behind TWO first-round draft picks (but, like Edelman this year, was productive when given the chance).

That said I still don't know what the heck BB was thinking when he all but gave Thomas away.

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VJCPatriot

Well Santanna Moss is a really inconsistent player. He may blow up for 100 yards one game and then get close to goose egg for the next 2 or 3 games. I'm not sure how much he would help us. I'd give no more than a 4th for him.

Cooley is a better player, but it depends on how we would use him. He's more of a hybrid FB/TE that can be split to the wing than a true multidimensional tight end. Again probably not worth more than a 4th round pick even though I think he's more consistent than Santanna, and this is more because of his situational usefulness rather than his quality as a football player.

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DW Toys

Cooley is only 27. I think you can use him like the Colts use Clark and move him around.
A couple years ago Watson was supposed to be our featured receiver. He was so inconstant we picked up a couple journeymen WR who were decent. What confidence did Brady have in Watson? Zilch. He would have more touches if he could catch. It's the tool you have to use sometimes, that determines the play style.

You'd never get Cooley for a fourth rounder but I will stress this, the FA pool is so thin you must trade to upgrade your players. I think trade is the best route and we have some chips. I know AD is a problem but even if we trade with a Salary bonus ala MLB, to the Skins (who could definitely use him but need an RB to replace Portis and some DL help to go with Haynesworth) but I do not know the NFL ruling on that.

I think Cooley and Santana could be had in the right package and two problems are solved. Maybe my package is one sided (ya think?). S. Moss did have 70 catches and a 12.9 YPC and over 900 yards so his production is still top level. In only 7 games Cooley had as many receptions (29) as Watson for the year. He is 6'3" and 250lbs. I think he can block better than most think and although Watson improved, he was not the best blocking TE and was supposed to be the seam deep threat...but what do I know. He needed to catch more.

I think it would be a great pickup if we could figure the right pieces and keep our top choices if we can.....Trade would be the best. Maroney might thrive under Shanny?
DW Toys

alvinnf

I posted this elsewhere, here's a link..... Greg Olsen!
Bears Shopping TE Greg Olsen?

stevedogc

I dont buy it. You spend all that money and picks getting a Qb and then trade away one of your only receiving threats. I would love to have Olsen, but I think this is a case of a writer throwing something against the wall to see if it sticks.

stevedogc

I wouldnt give up to much either. Maybe a 4th or 5th this year and a conditional 2011 pick. No higher then a 3rd. Hey, if he performs then its worth it. I think he has a somewhat managable contract and he did have 149/1944/9 the last two years with Jason Campbell at the helm. I think he could improve on those numbers with Brady throwing him the ball and R. Moss on the other side of the field.

TriplecHamp

Id give up a high second for Brandon Marshall, I know Im going to get ***** for this because Brandon is your stereotypical prima donna receiver but the talent is there and then some and who would solve the #2/3 receiver target plus hes young and he probably would take over for Moss if he isnt resigned in 2011. A young receiver in the middle rounds of the draft should also be developed.

alvinnf

He would be perfect. He just needs a father figure(BB) not a frat brother(JM)........