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Old 01-29-2010, 01:05 PM   #21
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Based on the Sr Bowl measurements, Graham only has 30.5 inch arms. That's pretty short. Arm length is a major factor for OLBs, so this has to be a red flag.
That's part of why I see him as a SILB more than an OLB. He's got a great motor, is very physical, is adept at taking on blockers, can stack and shed, can set the edge and play the run, and can generate terrific interior pressure. But he doesn't have fabulous outside speed, he's short (6'1") with very short arms (30.5"), and I haven't yet seen that he has loose enough hips to drop into coverage or particularly good ability to play in space. Put him inside at SILB and those weaknesses are minimized, and his strengths maximized. At 3-4 OLB, he brings a lot of plusses but also a lot of liabilities.
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Based on the Sr Bowl measurements, Graham only has 30.5 inch arms. That's pretty short. Arm length is a major factor for OLBs, so this has to be a red flag.
A playeer who has power and uses his hands really well, can over come the disadvantage of short arms and it appears Graham may be that kind of player. But regarless, you have to know that once an NFL tackle gets his hands on Graham, it is game over, the most Graham can do at that point is resort to bull rushing and at 260 plus pounds, I wish hinm luck with that.

In a lot of ways Graham is like Thomas, but without the speed or coverage skills.

At the end of the day, can you see Graham setting a hard edge against former team mate Jake Long? I can't. Can you see Graham taking on a pulling Alan Faneca or setting a hard edge against Fergusion? I can't. How many TE's could Graham cover in space? What happens when San Diego isolates Gates on him? TD, we lose.

I think BB passes on Graham for the same reasons he passed on Woodley.
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A playeer who has power and uses his hands really well, can over come the disadvantage of short arms and it appears Graham may be that kind of player. But regarless, you have to know that once an NFL tackle gets his hands on Graham, it is game over, the most Graham can do at that point is resort to bull rushing and at 260 plus pounds, I wish hinm luck with that.

In a lot of ways Graham is like Thomas, but without the speed or coverage skills.

At the end of the day, can you see Graham setting a hard edge against former team mate Jake Long? I can't. Can you see Graham taking on a pulling Alan Faneca or setting a hard edge against Fergusion? I can't. How many TE's could Graham cover in space? What happens when San Diego isolates Gates on him? TD, we lose.

I think BB passes on Graham for the same reasons he passed on Woodley.
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Last time I looked, Harrison played in Pittsburgh, however when Pittsburgh waived Harrison a few years ago, BB passed on him.

Harrsion is a great self made player in that defense, but teams have success runing at him and BB just won't stand for that in his defense.
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Last time I looked, Harrison played in Pittsburgh, however when Pittsburgh waived Harrison a few years ago, BB passed on him.

Harrsion is a great self made player in that defense, but teams have success runing at him and BB just won't stand for that in his defense.
And Pittsburgh waived Harrison more than once before he became a star, with no one being "smart" enough to pick him up.
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In a lot of ways Graham is like Thomas, but without the speed or coverage skills.

At the end of the day, can you see Graham setting a hard edge against former team mate Jake Long? I can't. Can you see Graham taking on a pulling Alan Faneca or setting a hard edge against Fergusion? I can't. How many TE's could Graham cover in space? What happens when San Diego isolates Gates on him? TD, we lose.

I think BB passes on Graham for the same reasons he passed on Woodley.
I agree, unless you can project Graham inside to SILB. I think he's a great DE with phenomenal intangibles who just doesn't project well to 3-4 OLB in our scheme.
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Graham's my biggest binky in the draft. I'd have no problem if we took him in with our first pick. and if he's avaialbe in the 2nd there's no reason not to take him
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But you don't know how they're going to turn out. That's the point. Meriweather was rated more highly as a prospect than Woodley by a good bit in 2007 - many considered him a top 10 talent who slipped because of character issues. Woodley was at best a borderline late 1st/early 2nd talent. Just because Woodley has done well for Pittsburgh doesn't mean that we "blew it" by not taking him over Meriweather. And we had a huge hole at safety in 2007.
If you go back to the archives you'll see MichiganDave (haven't seen him in a while) and myself to a lesser degree talk up Woodley to no end. I definitely felt Meriweather was the right pick at the point, but hoped we'd take Woodley with the second first rounder. Personally if I had been in charge of the Pats draft that year that's what I would have done at the time. This time last year it looked as though I would have been stupid to pass up on the chance of Mayo. Now, not so sure.
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And Pittsburgh waived Harrison more than once before he became a star, with no one being "smart" enough to pick him up.
There wasn't any real tape on Harrison. He hadn't played yet. Once he did, he blew up. With his balance and low center of gravity. People are rethinking the prerequisites for OLB. The thing that is so intriguing about Graham is how good he is against the run. He plays with similar lean to Harrison and looks like he has great balance. I am not sure he is as explosive. But in our scheme you could line him up at end on passing downs. He comes down the line so well, he would be great against the draw in sub packages.

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That's part of why I see him as a SILB more than an OLB. He's got a great motor, is very physical, is adept at taking on blockers, can stack and shed, can set the edge and play the run, and can generate terrific interior pressure. But he doesn't have fabulous outside speed, he's short (6'1") with very short arms (30.5"), and I haven't yet seen that he has loose enough hips to drop into coverage or particularly good ability to play in space. Put him inside at SILB and those weaknesses are minimized, and his strengths maximized. At 3-4 OLB, he brings a lot of plusses but also a lot of liabilities.
If that's what you're drafting him for, how early do you take him? You're basically talking about converting a DE to ILB with the hopes that he'll become a 2 down player for you. That's like 6th-7th round material.
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