TriplecHamp

Jets', Patriots' Draft Day Trades Impacted Their Playoff Fates - New York Jets - NESN.com

Interesting article, I hope we dont make the same mistake this year. Who knows what would have happened if we traded up and in the long run it may have helped. Im happy with Vollmer and Butler but Brace and Chung havnt shown much but again it was only year one.

Box_O_Rocks

He's convinced me - the Jests mortgaged their depth/future for a quick score.

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patsinthesnow

I'm sure some people on this board have done the same.

Box_O_Rocks

Focus please, this was a football discussion.

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TriplecHamp

Jets fans believe that Mark Sanchez and Shonn Green are the future.

fester

Pretty damn weak article. Now if the author extended the comparison back a few years to the 2007 draft then that is an excellent argument for trading up when a team thinks the value is unreal (Revis & Harris) v. trading out for 2008 or vet players and how that could impact the 2009-2010 playoff race. But a below competent QB and a 2nd member of a RB by Committee tandem is not a killer draft for the Jets in 2009.

Instead between only 3 picks (including 1 very expensive QB) this year and the Gholston bust, the Jets will have a cheap AND young talent dearth once Mangold, Ferguson and Revis are up for their non-rookie contracts. The Jets are on a glide path towards talented, but not cheap, which if the CBA is as owner-friendly as it could be, not sustainable.

The relevant question for the Pats is that they have created a massive amount of fiscal breathing room by bringing on ~20 players either in the first or second year of their rookie deals, but are those players good enough now or in the near future to make the Patriots an elite team when combined with future draft picks, existing veterans and FA/trade acquisitions. The Pats right now are cheap and young, the question is talent.

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mayoclinic

The perceived Jets vs. Pats draft strategy question (trade up for a few key players vs. build roster depth) has been discussed in detail fairly recently:

Draft Strategy

I think both strategies have their merits, and wouldn't advocate any one exclusively. I think we did a great job of adding depth last year. We clearly picked up one unexpected blue chip prospect in Sebastian Vollmer. Darius Butler could develop into a stud CB as well. Patrick Chung has shown flashes, as did Brandon Tate briefly. Our late round picks were exceptional. All in all a very good draft. If a few people develop, if Ron Brace turns out not to be a dud, if Tyrone McKenzie recovers from his injury to be a contributor, and if Ohrnberger of Bussey develops into a solid guard for us, then it could be a truly outstanding draft. If none of those things happen, it will still be fairly solid given Vollmer, Butler, Edelman, Pryor and Ingram.

This year we have a minimum of 6+ major needs to fill, even assuming that we re-sign Wilfork, Bodden, Mankins, Watson and Gostkowski:

- 1-2 outside pass rushers
- A true SILB to complement Mayo
- A true 3-4 DE
- A solid #3 WR (preferably one who can play #2 while Welker is out)
- Depth at RB
- A starting caliber RG to replace Stephen Neal

We won't be able to fill all of those needs through the draft. I hope that we target 2-3 of these needs in FA, leaving us with 3-4 key needs to address in the draft. With all of our ammunition, we should be well equipped to move around (whether up, down or sideways) to target prospects and fill those needs.

The Jets seem to fall in love with prospects and go after them very aggressively - Sanchez, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Dustin Keller and Shonn Greene, among others. They often spent quite a bit to get their guy. The Pats generally do not seem as aggressive about targeting individual players. It will be interesting to see if that changes this year, and if they go after a guy like Rolando McClain, who will be very sought after, or a particular pass rusher.

I would like to see us come out of this draft with 2 blue chip prospects and a starting caliber RG. I think that there is a need to add playmakers and difference makers, particularly on defense, and right now I would rather see us get those kind of guys then build a lot of depth with red chip prospects.

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I didn't even consider drafting Oher in a mock because I thought he would be gone with SF's pick. When he fell to us I was pretty po'd he wasn't selected. As far as Mathews everytime I seen him in someone's mock I would cringe. He just wasn't appealing to me at all.

TriplecHamp

two different scenarios above.

mayoclinic

My plan is similar to your 2 scenarios:

[u]Scenario 1[/b]

- Re-sign Vince Wilfork, Leigh Bodden, Ben Watson; tender or re-sign Logan Mankins and Stefan Gostkowski
- Sign UFA Karlos Dansby to play SILB
- Sign UFA WR Antonio Bryant. Deion Branch is a low-cost backup plan.
- Sign RB Willis McGahee, who will likely be cut by Baltimore in a cost-cutting move.
- Bring back Willie McGinest for leadership and to mentor the young pass rushers (see below). Also consider signing Quentin Groves if he is cut by Jacksonville.
- Trade Adalius Thomas for whatever you can get. However we can manage it, trade into the early 3rd round.

Draft:

- Trade 42, 46 and 118 to Atlanta for 19 and 83

19: CJ Spiller, RB - a dynamic offensive playmaker and all-purpose threat
22: Carlos Dunlap, DE/OLB - a young Willie McGinest
53: Vladimir Ducasse, OT/OG, UMass (backup plan: Mike Johnson, Alabama)
3rd round: Austen Lane, DE/OLB, Murray St. - division 2 kid with enormous upside.
Late rounds:
- Clifton Geathers, DE, Clemson - 6'8" 290# kid with a lot of potential as a 3-4 DE
- Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green - all he does is make catches
- Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan - a real punter would be nice. Most teams have one.
- Tony Moeaki, TE, Iowa - good all-purpose blue collar TE. We don't use them, anyway, so an elite one is wasted.

[u]Scenario 1[/b]

- Re-sign Vince Wilfork, Leigh Bodden, Ben Watson; tender or re-sign Logan Mankins and Stefan Gostkowski
- Sign UFA Karlos Dansby to play SILB
- Sign UFA WR Antonio Bryant. Deion Branch is a low-cost backup plan.
- Sign RB Willis McGahee, who will likely be cut by Baltimore in a cost-cutting move.
- Bring back Willie McGinest for leadership and to mentor the young pass rushers (see below). Also consider signing Quentin Groves if he is cut by Jacksonville.
- Trade Adalius Thomas for whatever you can get. However we can manage it, trade into the early 3rd round.

Draft:

Same as scenario 1 but:

- Bring in a pass rusher in FA such as Shawne Merriman or Aaron Kampman instead of Dansby
- Consider signing an all-purpose back like Reggie Bush as an alternative to McGahee
- Trade 22 and 42 to Denver for #10

10: Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
46: Best available RB: Jahvid Best (Cal), Jonathan Dwyer (Georgia Tech), Ryan Mathews (Fresno St.), or trade back for Dexter McCluster or Toby Gerhart
- Other draft picks from 53 on are the same.

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