Ungeheuer

Uh... I don't think so. Remember Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks? They were pretty good, too.

Box_O_Rocks

Mike Tanier’s Draft Wrap: The Schemes Matter - The Fifth Down Blog - NYTimes.comI liked English, but for NE I preferred him in the second round. With Shaun Phillips in the news with legal problems, San Diego had a critical need for an edge rusher. I'd have taken Larry English first for their system too. With any luck, Barwin will justify my analysis of his talents and help Houston rank both Tennessee and Jacksonville earlier in the draft so BB can abuse me - again - with those seconds he obtained in this draft.

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sg14

Thought I'd bump this thread up,,

The fact that BB quoted size and speed as a reason not to draft someone sounded odd,, wasn't Bobby Grier the king of size-speed numbers. I always thought the Parcells tree was about production.

I'm reading this as one or two ways,," I got multiple players that I have to coach up, all have the physical size, speed I need, think I'll pass on paying alot to get a similar player." Or "My young guys are hungry for knowledge, have a great work ethic, good size, speed, all they need is time on the field".

Hope it's the second interpretation.

This could be story of the year, do these young guys come thru, or fall flat on their faces, Is this the big BB gamble?

Speaking of McGuinest, he was a very special player, #4 pick in the draft, but he was a high cut guy, long legs, agile, smart as they come, I wonder if BB sees any of that in these new guys?

mayoclinic

Nice quote from Tanier. I think that NE clearly puts the most coverage responsibilities on their OLBs of any of the major 3-4 teams. Shawn Merriman is not required to drop into coverage much, and it's certainly not a strength of his. I doubt SD will have the same requirements of Larry English that BB will have, and I think he is much better suited to their style.

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patchick

Have to disagree, Parcells has always been focused on big guys. I seem to recall him waxing eloquent on the point when he chose Bledsoe over Mirer.

ALP

this might be a bit off topic....but

BB requires the OLB's to drop back into coverage at times, but he also requires the ILB's to drop back too no?

i believe BB just wants his players to both be able to rush and drop back, so that the defense doesnt know what to expect, im sure if he wanted BB could come up w/ a way to have the OLB's rush and the ILB's drop back

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He did that last year.

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cstjohn17

I still think the title of the thread should be "Pass rushing OLBs ignored"

Box_O_Rocks

Considering the number of visits, I'd find that misleading and inaccurate.

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Perhaps they felt that Crable or Redd were better than the draft board at that point when they were up to bat? I did not include Wood or TBC because they might have the lowest upside for the specific OLB/DE Rusher role and needs. If only the second two were options, the draft board might have changed. At some point in time you have to put at least some of that group of four on the field and make use of the talent or eliminate them from contention. You can't keep stock piling them until one squeaks out of the mix if and when. You need to force the issue to see who steps up. As BB and even Mayock agreed this was a weak draft. 2009 first rounders were third rounders in another draft year.

Perhaps there is already a deal already in place for Taylor so he shows up at the last possible coordinated time to get enough reps in before the opening game. It has been said that Taylor does not want to come to OTAs because he would be away from his kids and the reason the Skins cut him is because he would not commit to their OTAs. The Pats would not want to upset the team vets by signing a player and then letting him slide until the absolute final stages of pre-season. So I am suggesting a "secret" signing might have happened. It's amazing to me that teams have not taken a swipe at him seriously at this point. The GM's of other teams might have been rebuffed by agent Gary Wichard. It is shaping up as a "Law" type of FA event.
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