mayoclinic

Allright, Bakes781 has driven me to it. Since we've had almost 24 hours of silence on another famous "overrated" thread, I think it's time for a new one.

I'll state my case that Darius Butler is overrated right now.

1. Player productivity

Rich Gosselin sums it up nicely:

Darius Butler is everything the NFL wants in a cornerback. He's 5-10, 183 pounds and runs a 4.41. His 43-inch vertical jump was the best at the NFL combine. So athletically, the package is all there. So is the football package. Butler started 45 career games at Connecticut and was a two-year captain. He was an All-Big East selection as a senior and also returns kicks. What's not to like?

For starters, where are the plays? Butler did not have an interception last season and broke up only four passes in 11 games. You hear that the opposition threw away from Butler -- you hear that about all the great college corners -- but the playmakers find some way to get their hands on the football. Charles Woodson was the only player to win a Heisman Trophy at cornerback in 1997. Offenses didn't throw at him, but he still found a way to intercept five passes for Michigan that season.

The last highly-touted cornerback I can recall coming of college without an interception in his senior season was North Carolina's Jimmy Hitch**** in 1995. He wound up sliding into the third round, where he was drafted by New England. He played eight NFL seasons and intercepted 19 career passes.

Butler did intercept 10 passes in his career at Connecticut -- but none in his final 17 games. Butler will still go high in the 2009 draft. Just how high will be determined by how NFL teams resolve in their draft meetings his lack of plays.

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Is that the kind of playmaker worth a 1st round draft pick?

2. Early draft rankings

The the end of the bowl season Butler was generally ranked as a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect. He was by no means a consensus 1st day pick. National Football Post didn't have them in the top 100 from their January 4 rankings (Vontae Davis was ranked 22, Sean Smith 32, and Alphonso Smith 41; the list all included juniors who ended up staying):

The National Football Post | NFL Draft: Updated Top 100 Prospects

NFLdraftscout had him a bit higher, ranked #58 in their January rankings, as was noted on this thread (see post #8):

NFL Draft Scout Top 64

3. The Senior Bowl

Butler had a decent week at the Senior Bowl but didn't particularly stand out. Certainly he didn't separate himself from the other CBs, and Alphonso Smith was generally the most mentioned CB participating. Butler didn't show up on any of the winners/losers lists. I don't think his stock was particularly affected.

Detailed discussion of the Senior Bowl, courtesy of Seneschal2, can be found at:

2009 Senior Bowl

4. Combine and Pro day

There's no doubt that Butler blew up the combine and had a great pro day, running in the 4.38-4.45 range with a 43" verticle, 11+' long jump, blazing fast 10 yard split, and decent 3-cone. He looks very smooth in drills with a great backpedal and nice hip flip. He clearly looks like a 1st round CB at these workouts.

5. Summary

One can make a fairly strong argument that Butler is a mid/late 2nd round CB in pads, and a 1st rounder in shorts, whereas Alphonso Smith is a 1st round CB in pads and a mid/late 2nd rounder in shorts. Butler has had tremendous workouts at the combine and in his pro day, and looks the part, but he didn't really produce as a playmaker at Connecticut and he didn't particularly stand out at the combine. Does this make him a solid 1st round prospect? I'm not sure. I put him in the overrated category right now.

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Well allow me to retort...

Despite not having a single INT in 2008, Conference coaches elected the versatile playmaker a first-team all-conference selection and Butler has proven his takeaway ability in the past, recording 10 interceptions over his first three seasons.

There's also the NFL bloodlines...Butler's uncle, Gene Atkins, played in the NFL and his cousin is Baltimore Ravens' running back Willis McGahee.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Darius Butler
And according to this report^ The four-year starter and two-year captain had a strong week of practice at the Senior Bowl. Showing good recovery speed and the ability to play in mutiple schemes.

I would contend that he clearly separated himself in the combine and pro day workouts. He scored a 43 inch vertical compared to that of Jenkins 33", Vontae 36" and Alphonso's 34". He has the size and speed to go along with the athleticism.

My arguement for him at #23 would be that we know there's a plentiful stock of OLB prospects and there's a HIGH probability that at least ONE of them(Barwin, English, Matthews) will be available at #34. So if you grade them all about the same, then why not go for the only true CB worthy of a day one selection and address your OLB need at #34?

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TriplecHamp

If Darius Butler is overrated than you know whois definatly overrated. Darius Butler was one of the most respect CB in the nation last year. He is at the top of the List at the conerback position. His stock is rising but were not talking about using #23 on him. We would be reaching if we took him at #23. You Know who isnt overrated either except for on patsfans, most others have him as an early second-Mid second rounder. Here we would be "lucky to have him at #23", that IMO is inflating his value because he is a Project with good upside but Maybin has even more upside but Maybin dosnt look like vrabel, hasnt made a position change, and is still young and undeveloped, which is why he isnt as popular here. Back to Butler, one of the top three coners in this draft IMO and has plenty of upside. DRC 2?

mayoclinic

Ah, yes, bloodlines. That irrefutable argument.

Again, he's a good player. Just like you-know-who. He's a legitimate 2nd rounder. But is his 1st round status due entirely to being a workout warrior? His play says 2nd round, his workouts 1st.

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DRC2? For a 5'10" CB? I don't see it.

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TriplecHamp

Its his Leaping ability and Recovery speed that makes me think DRC. They both solidified themselves as good prospects at the senoirbowl/Combine and have very simmilar frames. Butler also played a little WR for UCONN. Troy Brown 2 lmao! DRC is only 6'1 vs butlers 5'10 but they play very simmilar. In your words he would be OUR DRC.

mayoclinic

He sounds more like another Ellis Hobbs than a DRC. Hobbs had a 42" vertical and similar numbers in 2005, and was 1" shorter. DRC was 4" taller as well as incredibly athletic, with a blazing 3-cone. In other words, an athletic freak. He came out of a small cnoference as a talented but known player. He dominated the Senior Bowl and then wowed at the combine and his pro day.

Butler was a solid college performer in a fairly prominent conference. He was steady but by no means spectacular at the Senior Bowl, and then blew away the combine. He's not an athletic freak by any means. He is a very athletic and smooth CB.

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Seneschal2

O.K. -- I'll play.

When it comes to bloodlines, I'll accept the fathers, brothers, and maybe the uncles...but the cousins we can leave at the airports.

Because...

BB's highest drafted CB was Eugene Wilson (round 2), followed by Wheatley (round 2), Hobbs (round 3), and Samuel (round 4). Hobbs and Asante became starters, Wilson became the starting FS, and Wheatley will be vying for the starter's role this season. They prove that BB has no problem finding potential starters after round one.

In addition, there are indeed other CB options after day one. And some have arguably equal -- if not better -- ball skills and career production than Butler.

Of course, this doesn't mean BB won't select Butler in round one, only that like the DE/OLB position, he does have several options to choose from.

I'm done.

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Saying Butler's Senior Bowl was "decent" is a little off imo. He had a very good if not excellent Senior Bowl which is considered a whole week. Not just one game. He was one of the few CB's. I take that back. One of the only CB's that stood out during that week for being able to play man to man physical defense.

Seriously though, I think he is a little overrated because I don't think there is a CB in this draft that is a sure fire can't miss first round prospect, or should I say I don't feel the "it factor" with any of them. I don't feel the same way about Davis,Jenkins or A.Smith. If I graded them I would go Jenkins 1,Butler-A.Smith push for 2 and Vontae Davis 3.

mayoclinic

Here's Tony Pauline's list of risers and sliders from the Senior Bowl:

B.J. Raji, Derek Williams were winners at Senior Bowl practices - SI.com - 2008 NFL Super Bowl

There are also links to the first 4 days of practice. Butler's name isn't mentioned once. Alphonso Smith and Coye Francies are the 2 CBs singled out. Scott Wright from NFLdraftcountdown said Butler was generally impressive, "athough he did get beat more than I would have preferred." Draft Countdown - 2009 Senior Bowl Review

I didn't get to see the Senior Bowl practices myself, so I'm going by report. But from what I can tell, no one really mentioned Butler as being a particular standout at the time. He was solid, but nothing more. If you saw him yourself and feel that he stood out and played man to man physical defense then I would have to defer to you, as I am going by report.

I generally agree with you about your order of CBs. I do think DJ Moore has slipped a lot, and he was neck and neck with Alphonso Smith last year in terms of performance, so he would be another option later in the 2nd round.

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