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Old 02-02-2009, 10:31 PM   #1
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Some of this is might be unrealistic, but I guess that's the point of it being my dream. Enjoy.

Resign:
Rodney Harrison - Just a hunch, but I think Harrison comes back for one last shot at the ring

James Sanders - Quality safety, not flashy, but good in our system

Jabar Gaffney - Solid #3 option, Brady seems to like him, that's good enough for me

Lonnie Paxton - One of the top long snappers out there

Chris Hanson - Good enough directional punter, I'd sign some UDFA to compete with him, but I'd expect Hanson to win the job anyway.

Heath Evans - good ST contributor and a decent FB

Mike Wright - probably the hardest to bring back, but gives us some versatility across the DL

Larry Izzo - I always expect him to be gone but he never is

Pierre Woods -Sign to 2nd round tender

Trade:
Matt Cassel for Julius Peppers (Or trade Cassel for Detroit/Minnesota..etc 1st rounder and trade that for Peppers)

Draft:
1 - Percy Harvin - WR - Florida - Oh no, not another UF wide receiver they will say. Harvin will offer us a dynamic weapon (what Stallworth was supposed to be) and also be able to fill in and take a few carries and return kicks.

2 - Darius Butler - CB - UCONN - A solid CB with good upside, would add some talent to our defensive backfield.

2 - Sean Smith - FS - Utah - Big quick DB, have seen him falling on a few different places lately. Very productive and would give us good coverage ability out of the FS position and be able to compete for a starting spot after the season. I think after the year Meriweather moves full time to SS, Smith starts at FS, Sanders is the 3rd safety and Harrison retires.

3 - Trevor Canfield - OG - Cincinnati
3 Comp - Jason Watkins - OT - Florida
Two talented OL who would give us great depth and could develop under Dante into future starters

4 - James Casey - TE - Rice - Mr. Versatility, once played 7 positions in a game. Would be everything Belichick wanted Garrett Mills to be. Great athlete who would be a viable receiving threat, good blocker, will be a special teams demon and lineup in the backfield on occasion.

5 - We'll say this pick was traded to move up to get one of the 2nd rounders

6 - Khalif Mitchell - DE - ECU - This pick could be any 3-4 Defensive Lineman who could come compete for a roster spot. Mitchell is a good athlete and has great size.

7 - Brian Toal - LB- Boston College - Undersized and injury prone, but Toal is very talented and could develop into a solid special teams contributor and backup ILB/FB after he sits out a year either on IR or the practice squad.

That would leave our 53 man roster as follows:
Offense
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Gutierrez
RB (5) Maroney, morris, Faulk, BJGE, Evans
WR (5) Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Harvin, one out of Washington and Aiken
TE (3) Watson, Thomas, Casey
OL (9) Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, LeVoir, Connolly, Canfield, Watkins

Defense
DL (7) Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Wright, Green, L.Smith, Battle between Adams and Mitchell
LB (9) Peppers, Thomas, Vrabel, Mayo, Woods, Crabel, Bruschi, Guyton, Izzo
CB (4) Hobbs, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler
S (4) Meriweather, S. Smith, Harrison, J. Sanders
S/WR/ST - 1 out of Slater and Ventrone

Special Teams
K - Gostkowski
P - Hanson
LS - Paxton

Our Practice Squad could consist of players such as Redd, Craig, Robertson, Ruud, Toal, Richardson, DeVree, Malone, etc...

Let me know what you think...

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Old 02-03-2009, 03:52 AM   #2
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My first thought is that I don't know how anyones dream Pats offseason could not include adding a proven player to the secondary.

Julius Peppers is interesting and adding him as an OLB to a team that already has such a powerful 3 man line and a freak athlete at OLB like Adalius Thomas sounds tremendous. Peppers is a freak in his own right, but questions about him learning the system and how well he could cover are concerns of mine. I know it's just a "dream", but wonder if Peppers would take the discount necessary to play for the Patriots? I have a hard time believing that the Patriots would make him their highest paid player, so he'd have to take less to play in New England. I also feel like merely making him the highest paid defensive player might ruffle some feathers in the locker room.

I like a lot of your draft picks right now as Harvin, Smith, and Butler are all guys that interest me. I also like Canfield and Watkins and am intrigued by what I've read about Casey, but I didn't watch Rice play this year.

Because you added Peppers, I would be happy with your offseason. Just thinking of the versatility he could give the defense is exciting. How about a Nickel package of Seymour, Wright, Peppers, Thomas, Guyton, and Mayo as the front 6? No speed issues there.
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Some of this is might be unrealistic, but I guess that's the point of it being my dream. Enjoy.

Resign:
Rodney Harrison - Just a hunch, but I think Harrison comes back for one last shot at the ring

James Sanders - Quality safety, not flashy, but good in our system

Jabar Gaffney - Solid #3 option, Brady seems to like him, that's good enough for me

Lonnie Paxton - One of the top long snappers out there

Chris Hanson - Good enough directional punter, I'd sign some UDFA to compete with him, but I'd expect Hanson to win the job anyway.

Heath Evans - good ST contributor and a decent FB

Mike Wright - probably the hardest to bring back, but gives us some versatility across the DL

Larry Izzo - I always expect him to be gone but he never is

Pierre Woods -Sign to 2nd round tender

Trade:
Matt Cassel for Julius Peppers (Or trade Cassel for Detroit/Minnesota..etc 1st rounder and trade that for Peppers)

Draft:
1 - Percy Harvin - WR - Florida - Oh no, not another UF wide receiver they will say. Harvin will offer us a dynamic weapon (what Stallworth was supposed to be) and also be able to fill in and take a few carries and return kicks.

2 - Darius Butler - CB - UCONN - A solid CB with good upside, would add some talent to our defensive backfield.

2 - Sean Smith - FS - Utah - Big quick DB, have seen him falling on a few different places lately. Very productive and would give us good coverage ability out of the FS position and be able to compete for a starting spot after the season. I think after the year Meriweather moves full time to SS, Smith starts at FS, Sanders is the 3rd safety and Harrison retires.

3 - Trevor Canfield - OG - Cincinnati
3 Comp - Jason Watkins - OT - Florida
Two talented OL who would give us great depth and could develop under Dante into future starters

4 - James Casey - TE - Rice - Mr. Versatility, once played 7 positions in a game. Would be everything Belichick wanted Garrett Mills to be. Great athlete who would be a viable receiving threat, good blocker, will be a special teams demon and lineup in the backfield on occasion.

5 - We'll say this pick was traded to move up to get one of the 2nd rounders

6 - Khalif Mitchell - DE - ECU - This pick could be any 3-4 Defensive Lineman who could come compete for a roster spot. Mitchell is a good athlete and has great size.

7 - Brian Toal - LB- Boston College - Undersized and injury prone, but Toal is very talented and could develop into a solid special teams contributor and backup ILB/FB after he sits out a year either on IR or the practice squad.

That would leave our 53 man roster as follows:
Offense
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Gutierrez
RB (5) Maroney, morris, Faulk, BJGE, Evans
WR (5) Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Harvin, one out of Washington and Aiken
TE (3) Watson, Thomas, Casey
OL (9) Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, LeVoir, Connolly, Canfield, Watkins

Defense
DL (7) Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Wright, Green, L.Smith, Battle between Adams and Mitchell
LB (9) Peppers, Thomas, Vrabel, Mayo, Woods, Crabel, Bruschi, Guyton, Izzo
CB (4) Hobbs, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler
S (4) Meriweather, S. Smith, Harrison, J. Sanders
S/WR/ST - 1 out of Slater and Ventrone

Special Teams
K - Gostkowski
P - Hanson
LS - Paxton

Our Practice Squad could consist of players such as Redd, Craig, Robertson, Ruud, Toal, Richardson, DeVree, Malone, etc...

Let me know what you think...
I like a lot of your picks, but agree with DocE about the lack of CB. I see us signing a mid-range FA CB such as Jabari Greer. I think that we need a more mature CB to go with our rookies and provide insurance in case Hobbs leaves after 2009 more than another rookie.

Resigning James Sanders, Jabar Gaffney and Pierre Woods all sound fine, though a think we tender Woods to a 2nd round pick and if someone wants to take a fly on him we let him go. I don't see much of a dropoff between Woods and Redd. I don't see us tendering Alexander or Britt.

I just don't see us resigning Rodney right now. I know BB loves his vets, and Rodney has been spectacular, but between the obvious slowdown and the injury history I just think we need to move on. I do see us resigning Lewis Sanders, who probably played better than James Sanders part of last year.

I hope we resign Mike Wright. I don't think Izzo has a spot on this team. I would love to be able to use Paxton's spot for another player, but he has value as a reliable LS and will probably stick.

I think we can do better than Hanson at P and hope we take one in the draft. I think we will resign him and let him fight it out in training camp with a rookie.

Trading Cassel for Peppers is intriguing but problematic due to cap issues. If he really wants to play for the 3-4 under a winning coach and is willing to take a discount I'm all for it. I'd probably like Dansby better as a more experienced 3-4 LB, but the chance of Arizona not signing/franchising him is remote. If I were really to project a "dream" offseason Carolina would let Peppers go to FA and we'd sign him, and then trade Cassel for a 1st + a conditional 2010 pick, but that is probably pushing it.

Regarding your draft choices, I love Sean Smith at FS/CB but don't see him lasting past the top 40 choices and probably not going out of the 1st round unless he works out very poorly at the combine. If we truly want him we may need to use our first (or hopefully, one of our firsts). We need to see more of him to know, but if he looks like the real deal I would be happy with that.

I like Harvin and think he would be great in our offense, but see greater needs on D. I like Devin Moore from Wyoming with our comp pick for Samuel at 97 as a "poor man's Harvin"/Darrin Sproles type of all-purpose player.

Butler is fine as a CB but if we get a FA such as Jabari Greer then I don't see us going CB on the first day.

I love Trevor Canfield out of Cincinnati at G. He has a nastiness and toughness that I like, and the size profile that fits the Pats. I think he would be great backing up Neal and taking over in a year or two opposite Mankins, or replacing Mankins if we can't resign him.

Casey is an intriguing pick. I hope he lasts to the 4th. He's a bit older, but I agree his versatility is interesting.

I don't know much about Watkins or Mitchell. I don't think Toal has the ability to play on this team - I just don't see him succeeding at the next level.

I would like to see us draft a punter to compete with Hanson such as Huber from Cincinnati or Morehead from SMU. I also like Sammie Lee Hill from Stillman as a late round DT - more of a pure 3-4 DT to back up Wilfork, with an intriguing athleticism (has played basketball, TE and DE among other positions).

Nice job.
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Sean Smith is a 1st rounder

I dont see us getting Peppers(love it to happen and its intriguing but he;ll want $$$ despite what he's saying).

I do see us getting a high 2nd and conditional 2010 for Cassel
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I want to see Pat White drafted in the 4th or 5th round to be the next Troy Brown.
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Is Peppers a pats guy? Money and Attitude.

I cannot side a WR taken in 1st with all other priorities.

I agree though we need an edge pass rusher????

Between draft, trades and FA we should be able to get OLB/CB and OL.
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I think we need to invest in a big time O-Lineman, and get some pass rush.

Out entire off season should be focused on the trenches, being able to run the ball when it's needed, and being able to get presure on the QB.

We can add some depth to the Secondary, but the greatest CBs in the world can't cover if the QB has all day.

I want the front 7 on defense to be a nasty unit... As well as Brady protected for ages, and power running game.
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I think we need to invest in a big time O-Lineman, and get some pass rush.

Out entire off season should be focused on the trenches, being able to run the ball when it's needed, and being able to get presure on the QB.

We can add some depth to the Secondary, but the greatest CBs in the world can't cover if the QB has all day.

I want the front 7 on defense to be a nasty unit... As well as Brady protected for ages, and power running game.
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Some of this is might be unrealistic, but I guess that's the point of it being my dream. Enjoy.

Resign:
Rodney Harrison - Just a hunch, but I think Harrison comes back for one last shot at the ring

James Sanders - Quality safety, not flashy, but good in our system

Jabar Gaffney - Solid #3 option, Brady seems to like him, that's good enough for me

Lonnie Paxton - One of the top long snappers out there

Chris Hanson - Good enough directional punter, I'd sign some UDFA to compete with him, but I'd expect Hanson to win the job anyway.

Heath Evans - good ST contributor and a decent FB

Mike Wright - probably the hardest to bring back, but gives us some versatility across the DL

Larry Izzo - I always expect him to be gone but he never is

Pierre Woods -Sign to 2nd round tender

Trade:
Matt Cassel for Julius Peppers (Or trade Cassel for Detroit/Minnesota..etc 1st rounder and trade that for Peppers)

Draft:
1 - Percy Harvin - WR - Florida - Oh no, not another UF wide receiver they will say. Harvin will offer us a dynamic weapon (what Stallworth was supposed to be) and also be able to fill in and take a few carries and return kicks.

2 - Darius Butler - CB - UCONN - A solid CB with good upside, would add some talent to our defensive backfield.

2 - Sean Smith - FS - Utah - Big quick DB, have seen him falling on a few different places lately. Very productive and would give us good coverage ability out of the FS position and be able to compete for a starting spot after the season. I think after the year Meriweather moves full time to SS, Smith starts at FS, Sanders is the 3rd safety and Harrison retires.

3 - Trevor Canfield - OG - Cincinnati
3 Comp - Jason Watkins - OT - Florida
Two talented OL who would give us great depth and could develop under Dante into future starters

4 - James Casey - TE - Rice - Mr. Versatility, once played 7 positions in a game. Would be everything Belichick wanted Garrett Mills to be. Great athlete who would be a viable receiving threat, good blocker, will be a special teams demon and lineup in the backfield on occasion.

5 - We'll say this pick was traded to move up to get one of the 2nd rounders

6 - Khalif Mitchell - DE - ECU - This pick could be any 3-4 Defensive Lineman who could come compete for a roster spot. Mitchell is a good athlete and has great size.

7 - Brian Toal - LB- Boston College - Undersized and injury prone, but Toal is very talented and could develop into a solid special teams contributor and backup ILB/FB after he sits out a year either on IR or the practice squad.

That would leave our 53 man roster as follows:
Offense
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Gutierrez
RB (5) Maroney, morris, Faulk, BJGE, Evans
WR (5) Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Harvin, one out of Washington and Aiken
TE (3) Watson, Thomas, Casey
OL (9) Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, LeVoir, Connolly, Canfield, Watkins

Defense
DL (7) Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Wright, Green, L.Smith, Battle between Adams and Mitchell
LB (9) Peppers, Thomas, Vrabel, Mayo, Woods, Crabel, Bruschi, Guyton, Izzo
CB (4) Hobbs, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler
S (4) Meriweather, S. Smith, Harrison, J. Sanders
S/WR/ST - 1 out of Slater and Ventrone

Special Teams
K - Gostkowski
P - Hanson
LS - Paxton

Our Practice Squad could consist of players such as Redd, Craig, Robertson, Ruud, Toal, Richardson, DeVree, Malone, etc...

Let me know what you think...
Nick - A fews things.

1) Peppers is a UFA. He can't be traded unless the Panthers place the franchise tag on him

2) I don't believe that Redd or Richardson are eligible for the practice squad because of the number of games they appeared in last year.

3) I don't see the Pats wasting a 1st round pick on Percy Harvin.

4) Sean Smith isn't going to last to the Patriots pick in the 2nd round. He could be gone by the pick the Pats have from the Chargers.

5) I don't see Butler being a good fit for the Pats. Mainly because I don't think he has the agility or the weight to play CB for the Pats. He's 20 lbs lighter than Hobbs..

6) Casey is currently the 3rd rated TE and projected as a 2nd rounder. Why do you see him falling to the end of the 4th round?

7) As for Toal, I understand he's a 7th round pick, but he suffered a pretty nasty break of his leg.. It seems to me that there are other players in the draft who are better fits than Toal.
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2) I don't believe that Redd or Richardson are eligible for the practice squad because of the number of games they appeared in last year.
Redd 5 games: PS eligible - yes.
Richardson 10 games: PS eligible - no.
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