Patriot Missile

How funny would that be to draft Mathieu and have him contribute immediately a year after stealing Dennard?

I stand by earlier comments that this guy is a piece of work and a possible wasted pick but I'm not the one drafting and I so do love a good redemption story. Especially when it's a Patriot involved.

patfanken

After reading the first 3 and last 3 pages (so pardon if there is any redundancy here), here are my thoughts.

1. If the Browns ever gave the Pats a top 10 pick for Ryan Mallet, the league should start an investigation. Ludicrous to think the Browns (who don't have a 2nd rounder in this draft) would trade this pick for anyone, let alone a guy who hasn't thrown 10 passes in the NFL, and has no significant positive tape on him.

2. If we are to maximize the 3rd round investment in Mallett, THIS is the year to trade him. Something like a 2014 2nd or a 2013 3rd would be more than fair. In fact I think even this would be overly optimistic.

3. The fact that Lombardi has the "GM" job in Cleveland ups the chances of a Mallet trade, but Browns fans would be up in arms if he traded a significant pick for Mallett. I don't know what kind of year Weeden had, but it wasn't horrible and he WAS a rookie. How dumb would it be for him invest ANOTHER high pick on an unknown quantity after investing a first round pick on Weeden last year.

4. The smart thing for Cleveland to have done would have been to keep that #1 picks and traded for Mallett LAST year, (2nd or 3rd) like I suggested.

5. If Mallett ultimately stays as Brady's principal back up for the next 2 years, then I would think that we'd gotten excellent value for that 3rd round pick. If he's traded for any value this year, we got decent value for the pick.

6. If Mallet is gone this off season, the potential back ups are many. Cassell is the obvious one. Hoyer I bet would love to come back, and Kafka is an interesting prospect. So if Mallet IS traded, then I wouldn't be worried too much about Brady's back up.

7. Finally, a question. Early in the thread when the euphoria was high and thoughts about a #6 pick were rampant, I was shocked to see so many willing to squander this once in a lifetime chance at a top 10 pick, on a OLman. Even if Volmer ISN'T re-signed, I can't see the Pats using that pick in an area of existing strength. DL is an existing need, and this, by all accounts is a great draft for the DL. Why then even continplate using this miracle fantasy pick on an OG, regardless of how good you might think he is. Just asking.

mayoclinic

This thread is largely an exercise in mental masturbation as we have nothing better to do. It's possible that Cleveland will make a serious run at Mallett, but until they do, I certainly wouldn't do more than idly speculate. But it's fun.

There aren't a lot of QB options in the draft, and if Lombardi thinks that Mallett was really that good of a prospect, a Mallett who has had 2 years to learn under BB and behind TFB may be more likely to produce than any other option. As for how high they would go, IDK. The crux of the matter is that he has value to the Pats as a backup, so it makes no sense to trade him without serious consideration.

If for someone reason the Browns did decide to make a run at Mallett, one option I've suggested elsewhere would be to trade back from #6. The best case scenario for them would be #6 to St. Louis for #16 and #22, with St. Louis moving up to get Eric Fisher. In that situation, it might not be so dump to use one of your 1sts to go after Mallett. The Browns used #22 last year to get Brandon Weedon, after all. Mallett is younger and a much better prospect.

I don't set any store by the idea of Mallett for #6. Pipe dream. And if it somehow occurred BB would trade back. But the only positions I personally consider worth taking at #6 are QB, OL and DL. And in this draft I'm not sure I see a defensive lineman worth using the #6 pick on, for the Pats.

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patfanken

1. As I pointed out Mallet DOES have value as a quality back up, even if we don't know exactly how well he'd actually do. But if he were traded, the current availability of competent back ups in the league make me very comfortable in letting him go.

2. You make an interesting point in talking about Cleveland trading down and THEN trading with the Pats. That makes it a more probable (yet still highly unlikely) possibility.

I think the most likely and fairest deal would be the hybrid one I saw somewhere in the thread, where the Pats would get a 5th this year and a conditional pick in 2014, which would be a 2nd if he's a starter, and perhaps higher if he's a good starter, and something like a 6th if he's not. That's the kind of deal that would be a lot easier for Lombardi to sell to his fan base.

3. In the fantasy world that we get the 6th, I'm of a mixed mind. On one hand, you'd think that since the chances of the Pats ever picking that high are so rare that you'd feel the compulsion to take your shot. However if you haven't targeted a player you just HAVE to have, then trading down makes a lot more sense, especially if you trade out to 2014 and 2015. I don't see THIS year's draft as one that we need great numbers in.

As I said in another thread, we have 5 talented guys, who contributed little or nothing to this year's team (Dowling, Demps, Fletcher, Ballard, and Armstead) to go along with the 5 draft picks, plus vet FA's and UDFA's, so that we will have plenty of "fresh blood" to add to an already well stocked roster.

Off The Grid

It's one thing to call an idea "daft".

It's quite another to call a person ~ much less a group of people ~ "daft."

For instance...

1 ~ The notion that it's End of Days if we trade Mallett? Daft.

2 ~ The assumption ~ not the idea, but the assumption ~ that Mallett has what it takes to replace Brady, if needs be, Gods Forbid, and play at an high level? Super Daft.

3 ~ The assertion that "This team is deep everywhere", in light of our inability to match up in the PlayOffs without Rob Gronkowski on the field, and in light of the fact that our Defense instantly lost its Mojo and withered in front of us, the very instant that Aqib Talib was lost?? I'm going to go with flat out, mouth-breathingly stupid.

You yourself are a fine, brilliant fellow, I have no doubt.

But I would recommend that you graduate beyond your pathetically infantile level of exchange: Personally insulting the intelligence of a group of people, just because we're pointing out the foolishness of your Arguments.

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Off The Grid

Yeah, I never heard of Tom Brady, either!!

Some Disturbing Yet Fascinating Truths, my friend:

1 ~ Tom Brady ~ 6th Rounder.

2 ~ Joe Montana ~ 3rd Rounder.

3 ~ Johny Unitas ~ 9th Rounder (4th Rounder in 2013 Dollars )

4 ~ Bart Starr ~ arguably the best'f'm all!! ~ 17th Rounder ~ 7th Rounder, today.

Sorry if the facts shatter your "Argument".

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And by the way: Get your facts straight.

It's East Okeefinokee U.

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Umm...

As stated above: Tom Brady was a 6th Rounder.

It's beyond bizarre that anyone in this Galaxy, much less New EngLand, would be unaware of that.

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patsfaninpa

Don't think he's a hall of famer. But, look at this year. Luck and RGIII went 1st and 2nd overall. Indy lost games on purpose to get Luck, Wash gave up 3 firsts and a 2nd for RGIII. Seattle got Russell Wilson in the third round. Going to be interesting to see how their careers develop.

Sfpat

Here's Lance Zeirlein's evaluation of the QBs at the Senior Bowl

Updating my scouting report for all Senior Bowl Quarterbacks | The Z Report | a Chron.com blog

He doesn't give anyone a first round grade and essentially has very little good to say about any of them. If NFL evaluators have similar opinion, this would justify a high value for Mallet as he clearly would be the best QB in the draft. Maybe Mallet for the 6th pick isn't so far fetched.

JMC00

And how is that any different than someone like Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson or Mike Glennon going top 10?

Mallett would have gone in the first round if he would have stayed for his senior year. Maybe even top 10.

borg

1) Favre threw 4 passes his rookie year before being traded to GB for a #1. Must have been a lot of positive tape on those 4 throws

3) Do successful GMs enlist the vote of the masses on major decisions? That's Jetsonian

7) Why do you see OL as a strength. The Patriots went shot gun 13/14 times on 3rd down verses Baltimore. Clearly they had little faith the OL could win the hard yard battles. Teams with stout D lines force NE to become one dimensional on critical downs. Knowing the play will be a pass is an advantage for defenses

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