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Old 12-28-2012, 01:06 PM   #91
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Wheaton till the 4th is very unlikely. I'd guess late 2nd/early 3rd. Probably a top 75 pick. Winters is harder to predict right now. He's a top 100 pick who could rise, but I think that 3rd round is reasonable for right now. He'll probably end up going higher before all is said and done, but he's not there yet.
Wheaton is up to 56 at CBS. Its hard to see him going later than the second round right now. Everyone seems to like him.

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Old 12-28-2012, 01:53 PM   #92
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Wheaton is up to 56 at CBS. Its hard to see him going later than the second round right now. Everyone seems to like him.

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Boo!

Apparently Robert Woods is expected to announce Monday whether or not he is declaring. Stedman Bailey is drawing Kendall Wright comparisons and Quinton Patton is getting some first round talk. A receiver will fall to that bottom 2nd round pick so if that's the way we're looking, we should be alright.

This may not be a great class for those looking for a #1 guy, but is an outstanding class for more workhorse type WR's.
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Hard to tell until all the declarations are announced, but how does this draft compare
so far to last year's draft re WRs?
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Hard to tell until all the declarations are announced, but how does this draft compare
so far to last year's draft re WRs?
Probably much deeper, though there's no one a lock to be drafted in the top 15 picks right now (Keenan Allen is closet). But I think there are probably going to be 10-12 really solid WR prospects, probably going through at least day 2:

- Keenan Allen
- Tavon Austin
- Robert Wood (undecided)
- Terrance Williams
- Cordarelle Patterson
- DeAndre Hopkins (undecided)
- Justin Hunter
- Da'Rick Rogers
- Markus Wheaton
- Stedman Bailey
- Quinton Patton

That leaves guys like Aaron Dobson, Aaron Mellette, Cobi Hamilton and Ryan Swope as likely day 3 prospects, all of whom have quite a bit of upside, not to mention guys with question marks but talent like Kenny Stills and Marquess Wilson.

Personally I like this group better than the 2012 group for the most part, though I'm hardly a WR guy.
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Probably much deeper, though there's no one a lock to be drafted in the top 15 picks right now (Keenan Allen is closet). But I think there are probably going to be 10-12 really solid WR prospects, probably going through at least day 2:

- Keenan Allen
- Tavon Austin
- Robert Wood (undecided)
- Terrance Williams
- Cordarelle Patterson
- DeAndre Hopkins (undecided)
- Justin Hunter
- Da'Rick Rogers
- Markus Wheaton
- Stedman Bailey
- Quinton Patton

That leaves guys like Aaron Dobson, Aaron Mellette, Cobi Hamilton and Ryan Swope as likely day 3 prospects, all of whom have quite a bit of upside, not to mention guys with question marks but talent like Kenny Stills and Marquess Wilson.

Personally I like this group better than the 2012 group for the most part, though I'm hardly a WR guy.
I would agree with Mayo. 2012 had 15 WRs go in the top 100 picks, and CBS projects 15 in the top 100 again this year. I like this years players better though. Brandon Coleman could still declare too.
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Now I'm not implying that a WR be drafted with our 1st-rounder, but Bill somehow needs to find
2 WRs - draftees or UDFAs - who wil be able to contribute by season's end. And that's ass-uming
all of Welker, Edelman & Lloyd are on the opening-day 2013 roster.

One decent WR (and a QB-to-WR convert at that) in the last 10 drafts is inexcusable.
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Now I'm not implying that a WR be drafted with our 1st-rounder, but Bill somehow needs to find
2 WRs - draftees or UDFAs - who wil be able to contribute by season's end. And that's ass-uming
all of Welker, Edelman & Lloyd are on the opening-day 2013 roster.

One decent WR (and a QB-to-WR convert at that) in the last 10 drafts is inexcusable.


Another "inexcusable". Please.

If the Pats re-sign Welker and Edelman than any addition WR will likely be at most the #6 receiving option after those 3 and the TEs, not even counting the possibility that the RBs may actually get more involved in the passing game. So I'm not sure we need 2 more WRs, though depth is always nice. We do need a pipeline, and at least 1 more developmental guy who will preferably stick. It's not clear to me that Tate and Price were so much a failure of drafting as a failure of patience and development by the team.
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I've been thinking about 2 very good current NFL players who were DEs coming out of college but who have bulked up and play very different roles from what they play in college: Justin Smith and Henry Melton.

Smith was a 267# pass rushing 4-3 DE coming out of Missouri. He did OK in that role for Cincinnati, but was never really dominant until he bulked up and became a hybrid tackle/end for San Francisco, where he is one of the best linemen in the NFL. While JJ Watt has put up bigger numbers, Smith may have as big an impact on San Francisco's defense, as his absence the past game and a half have shown.

Melton was a running back for Texas who was converted to DE, and was also aruond 267# when he came out. He's now around 295# and is one of the better penetrating DTs in the NFL, and a 2 time Pro Bowl player.

I wonder who could have that kind of projection who is currently draft eligible. Ziggy Ansah's an athletic freak all to himself. But the 2 guys who come to mind are Sam Montgomery of LSU and Trent Murphy of Stanford. Montgomery's around 6'5" 260# this year having bulked up. He doesn't have an elite first step but he's got good hand technique and is very physical, with a good motor. Murphy's around 6'6" and 260-265# and currently plays OLB, but is a physical brute with the frame to add another 20+ lbs. Both of those guys look line linemen to me, probably playing mostly on the strong side, and guys who could get bigger and stronger in the pros.
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I've been thinking about 2 very good current NFL players who were DEs coming out of college but who have bulked up and play very different roles from what they play in college: Justin Smith and Henry Melton.

Smith was a 267# pass rushing 4-3 DE coming out of Missouri. He did OK in that role for Cincinnati, but was never really dominant until he bulked up and became a hybrid tackle/end for San Francisco, where he is one of the best linemen in the NFL. While JJ Watt has put up bigger numbers, Smith may have as big an impact on San Francisco's defense, as his absence the past game and a half have shown.

Melton was a running back for Texas who was converted to DE, and was also aruond 267# when he came out. He's now around 295# and is one of the better penetrating DTs in the NFL, and a 2 time Pro Bowl player.

I wonder who could have that kind of projection who is currently draft eligible. Ziggy Ansah's an athletic freak all to himself. But the 2 guys who come to mind are Sam Montgomery of LSU and Trent Murphy of Stanford. Montgomery's around 6'5" 260# this year having bulked up. He doesn't have an elite first step but he's got good hand technique and is very physical, with a good motor. Murphy's around 6'6" and 260-265# and currently plays OLB, but is a physical brute with the frame to add another 20+ lbs. Both of those guys look line linemen to me, probably playing mostly on the strong side, and guys who could get bigger and stronger in the pros.
John Simon from ohio state? Hes not big so he cant bulk much more but i think he already plays inside sometimes.
really like that kid.

Murphy is good as are his LB's mates at stanford, those 3 will be good players in the NFL.

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John Simon from ohio state? Hes not big so he cant bulk much more but i think he already plays inside sometimes.
really like that kid.

Murphy is good as are his LB's mates at stanford, those 3 will be good players in the NFL.
The question with Murphy is whether he declares this year. If he does, he's very high on my list along with Ansah.

Simon has a great motor and he's very strong, but he's 6'2" 262#. Not sure he has the frame to bulk up any, as you note. That's my biggest question with him.
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