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Old 11-14-2012, 11:33 AM   #81
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Interesting 3 round mock from Walter Football:

2013 NFL Mock Draft - WalterFootball.com

They have the Pats taking DT Kawann Short at 26, WR Cobi Hamilton at 55, and DE Datone Jones at 89. But what's interesting is Ziggy Ansah at 32, among other picks (Dion Jordan 22, Sheldon Richardson 24, Alec Ogletree 29, Jonathan Cooper 33, Matt Elam 37, Barrett Jones 40ish, among others).

My preference, as of right now (assuming the Pats win the SB - no reason to lower expectations):

1. Ignore DB in the draft on day 1 and 2. Re-sign Talib, keep McCourty at FS. Possibly add a FA CB or S
2. Sign UFA DT Glenn Dorsey. Dorsey went on IR this year with a foot injury after 7 tackles, so his stock is down. He was out of place as a 3-4 DE. He may never live up to his top draft selection, but he should come cheaply and will give us the internal pass rusher we've lacked since Mike Wright.
3. Round 1(32): Ziggy Ansah, DE, BYU (32). Jonathan Cooper is tempting, but I want a stud opposite Chandler Jones. Add in Dorsey, and we should see more effect pressure inside and from both edges in 2014.
4. Round 2(62): Interior OL. Pats can choose between Larry Warford (62), Travis Frederick (65), or Khaled Holmes (66). I probably pick Frederick because of versatility and smarts, but I'm happy with any. Alternatively, if the Pats take Cooper or Jones at 32, Margus Hunt (61) could be an alternative to Ansah at LDE.
5. Round 3(94): Steadman Bailey, WR, West Virginia (94).

Add in some re-signings, and I'd be pretty happy with that in the next 6 months.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:46 AM   #82
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3. Round 1(32): Ziggy Ansah, DE, BYU (32). Jonathan Cooper is tempting, but I want a stud opposite Chandler Jones. Add in Dorsey, and we should see more effect pressure inside and from both edges in 2014.
I'm afraid they think they already have one in Ninkovich.
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I'm afraid they think they already have one in Ninkovich.
Nink is solid but I think Ansah will be better than JPP.
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I'm afraid they think they already have one in Ninkovich.
Ninkovich is a fine player. But I want a true stud opposite Jones. If you don't think the Pats don't need more off the edge, you might want to listen to Bill Parcells, who identified that as a major area of need.
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Ninkovich is a fine player. But I want a true stud opposite Jones. If you don't think the Pats don't need more off the edge, you might want to listen to Bill Parcells, who identified that as a major area of need.
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“I think you can talk about the pass defense, but at the same time, you need to also talk about the pass rush,” Parcells said. “I know Bill addressed that this past season with the addition of a few guys like Chandler Jones, but I think they could use another guy coming off that edge. They could use another pressure player off the corner.”
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I think it's pretty obvious. ASSUMING that Devin McCourty stays at FS and works out as the deep FS and that Aqib Talib is a long-term solution as one of the outside CBs, he Pats' defense needs the following:

1. Another edge rusher, ideally a complete LDE who can dominate as Jones dominbates on the right side
2. An interior pass rushing DT
3. A coverage LB
4. A 3rd man CB after Talib and Dennard; Ras-I Dowling could possibly be that guy, but it's far from certain right now
5. Depth at DT and a potential successor to Vince Wilfork

I'd like to see the Pats pick up someone like Glenn Dorsey to address #2 (Henry Melton would be ideal, but won't make it to FA and would cost the earth), draft #1, draft #3 (Alec Ogletree would be ideal but unless the Pats are willing to use a 1st round pick he'll be gone; someone like Alonzo Highsmith might be a nice day 3 value), and evaluate the secondary further before potentially addressing #4 in FA. #5 can possibly be addressed late in the draft (though OTG has suggested Alameda Ta'amu as a possible pick up). Unless someone like Johnathan Hankins or Louis Nix unexpectedly falls into our lap I don't see this being a likely 1st round target right now.

That's my quick take on the defensive blueprint as of week 11. Subject to change, of course.
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It Is What It Is » Bill Parcells: This Patriots team is better than 2011 edition

I think it's pretty obvious. ASSUMING that Devin McCourty stays at FS and works out as the deep FS and that Aqib Talib is a long-term solution as one of the outside CBs, he Pats' defense needs the following:

1. Another edge rusher, ideally a complete LDE who can dominate as Jones dominbates on the right side
2. An interior pass rushing DT
3. A coverage LB
4. A 3rd man CB after Talib and Dennard; Ras-I Dowling could possibly be that guy, but it's far from certain right now
5. Depth at DT and a potential successor to Vince Wilfork



Trouble is, in terms of the draft:

1. Aside from Chandler Jones, this has not been a draft priority in any way for BB.

2. at best, BB only uses later round picks on this.

3. Big uglies only need apply in BB's scheme.

4. With his track record, drafting another CB feels like a certainty.

5. Now you're in BB's wheelhouse, namely drafting someone who stops the run and offers nothing in the way of pass-rush.


Unless BB is planning on changing his scheme considerably, options 1-3 could be a pipe dream.
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Bill would have to change not only his drafting/defensive scheme, but also his coaching scheme.
I have no confidence whatsoever that Bill could possibly acquire enough talent at all of the above
positions to supercede the career-killin' coaching those players would receive from Boyer, Flores
and Patricia. The inexperienced, underqualified, unimaginitive traveling salesmen Bill is employing
to pitch his remedy are not convincing their targets to sign on the line that is dotted.
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Ninkovich is a fine player. But I want a true stud opposite Jones. If you don't think the Pats don't need more off the edge, you might want to listen to Bill Parcells, who identified that as a major area of need.
Oh I agree with you 100%. I'm just scared that they think they're getting enough off the edge from Ninkovich, and they'll pass on guys like Ansah/Jordan/Werner.
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I think the last 2 loose to Giants in SB made Bill look on DE position in a new way. He liked stopping the run and rightfully so, but he also realice that stopping run is pointless when 60% or more is cast. He cahnced to 4-3 to fit into dime, nickle instead of 3-4 and he have seen what Giants did to Brady. Ziggy looks to perfect to pass up, can kick him inside if needed aswell. Dorsey as Mayo points out is stuck at 3-4, but is he the answer.. Who knows? Bequette what about him? Looks more like a inside the outside DE ( 3-4 )

I wouldn't mind a front like: Ziggy, Dorsey, Vince and Jones - Ninko, Hightower and Mayo.

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