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captain stone · 12-05-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mayoclinic

Unless the Pats draft a swing tackle. I ould see tackle being a priority of guard in this draft. Kyle Long would fit nicely, and there are a number of other options. There's potentially a lot of depth at OT in the 2013 draft, depending on the juniors, of course. The fact that the Pats have used guys like Cannon and Zusevics for depth at tackle instead of at guard might be due to thinness at the position, rather than a projection of where those guys fit best.

Of the 2, Zusevics seems the better-fit for Tackle than Cannon, though his short (33") arms are
concerning, as is his ability to anchor vs power. But wouldn't Matt Kopa have made a more logical
candidate for promotion to the 53 as a Swing Tackle, and Zusevics a more logical candidate for
transfer to the IR list? Bill & Nick have really fecked-up the PS/Bottom-of-53 roster these last
couple of weeks.

***Sciz*** · 12-05-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

But wouldn't Matt Kopa have made a more logical
candidate for promotion to the 53 as a Swing Tackle, and Zusevics a more logical candidate for
transfer to the IR list?

I don't know. Did you see how each of them was doing in practice?

ATippett56 · 12-06-2012, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

But wouldn't Matt Kopa have made a more logical candidate for promotion to the 53 as a Swing Tackle.

Matt Kopa was signed off the New England Patriots practice squad by the Philadelphia Eagles.

Matt Kopa - Philadelphia Eagles - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Merril Hoge's Tie Knot · 12-06-2012, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

That is your erroneous evaluation. But you keep telling yourself that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Fact is that Cannon is on the bench because he is only other player with extended tackle experience currently. As for McDonald, he's not the only back-up center. Thomas is behind him.

And no, it doesn't kill the idea that Bill will use Cannon as a guard long term. He has to go with what the current situation dictates. They have no one behind Cannon as a back-up Tackle except maybe Zuscevics, who is raw and was just activated. You don't play your primary back-up as a starter, especially when one of your starting Tackles is continuing to battle back issues.

There’s nothing erroneous about it. I felt that way, Field Yates felt that way, Jeff Howe felt that way, PFF felt that way, and obviously Belichick and Scar felt that way. You don’t take your back-up center (McDonald) that’s under performing at guard out of the game, replace him with your back-up right tackle (Cannon), and then put your back-up center back in after 2 series unless your back-up right tackle (Cannon) really, really sucked and playing guard. That’s what happened.

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

Thank you for pointing out your inability to actually ASK a question. You didn't ask a question there. You made a statement.

Two people told you were wrong, and I gave you an opportunity to prove you were right. You declined by not posting the link or replying to the discussion at all.

Are you going to post the reputable link that says Cannon is 10% body fat or not?

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

How do you know that is what Belichick was referring to? You don't. It's your opinion. So, please. You aren't right. You're talking out your rear end with nothing to support your claims.

Haha stop. The irony is killing me!

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

Could you please name the other 350lb O-lineman that BB has drafted or signed? Oh wait. You can't. Because BB had never drafted or signed a 350 lb O-lineman prior to Cannon. So, you're basically making a judgement based on nothing.

BTW, I suggest you go back and watch the game again because Cannon didn't do as poorly as you suggested. But then, you clearly have something against the guy since you are willing to make judgements about him with nothing to support your claims.

I have nothing against Cannon, in fact I find him very easy to root for and have praised him for playing very well at tackle - something nobody else has done, but I’m not going to attempt to convince myself he’s a guard when all signs point to the contrary.

He is the heaviest offensive lineman, but I never said he wasn’t. He’s Just much closer to the average tackle than the average guard.

Merril Hoge's Tie Knot · 12-06-2012, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mayoclinic

True, but the Patriots are the NFL poster child for "system specific" scouting. They wouldn't take a player based on college success if they didn't believe he could fit their system. In spite of Cannon's measurables being way outside their norm, they saw something about him that they not only liked, but also believed fit.

When there is enough assessed value Bill will bend his usually strict specifications.

nekromantique · 12-06-2012, 12:29 PM

how often has cannon actually played guard in practice though? this was the first game ive seen him play at guard, and while he didnt look very good...he also didnt look particularly great in his first couple games at tackle (he improved greatly imo...looked meh against arizona...as did thomas).

i wouldnt expect this to be the last time we see cannon at guard...i also expect the next time to look alot better.

captain stone · 12-06-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ATippett56

Matt Kopa was signed off the New England Patriots practice squad by the Philadelphia Eagles.

Matt Kopa - Philadelphia Eagles - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

I know; my point is that Bill should've promoted Kopa to the 53, allowed Zusevics to be moved
from PUP to IR, and subjected someone else (Hoo Man, Rivera, Martin) to waivers instead of Salas.
It's not like we were chock-full of WRs even before the losses of him & Edelman, both of whom
comprised our only depth at the position.

ATippett56 · 12-06-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

I know; my point is that Bill should've promoted Kopa to the 53, allowed Zusevics to be moved from PUP to IR, and subjected someone else (Hoo Man, Rivera, Martin) to waivers instead of Salas.

Maybe Dante and Bill felt that Zusevics has more upside than Kopa and was not worth placing on IR, thus stunting his long term development.

ATippett56 · 12-06-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

It's not like we were chock-full of WRs even before the losses of him & Edelman, both of whom comprised our only depth at the position.

As for Salas, this proves once again the New England Patriots lack of continued success acquiring inexpensive wide receiver talent. The first priority in unrestricted free agency for the New England Patriots in calendar year 2013 is to re-sign wide receiver Wes Welker and second priority to re-sign wide receiver Julian Edelman, regardless of offensive tackle Sebastian Vollmer's health, which incidentally isn't improving whatsoever.

captain stone · 12-07-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ATippett56

Maybe Dante and Bill felt that Zusevics has more upside than Kopa and was not worth placing on IR, thus stunting his long term development.

That has to be their reasoning, but waiving Salas as a consequence showed no reason whatsoever.
Our WR depth chart has gone from a pre-season Horn O' Plenty to a national laughingstock.