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manxman2601 · 10-29-2012, 01:44 AM

Has anyone watched S Philip Thomas of Fresno State? Leads the country in INTs with 7 and is starting to have good things said about him. Could be a possible riser.

manxman2601 · 10-29-2012, 10:27 AM

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Has anyone watched S Philip Thomas of Fresno State? Leads the country in INTs with 7 and is starting to have good things said about him. Could be a possible riser.

There's this from Bucky Brooks:

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One of the players creating the biggest buzz in the scouting community is Fresno State's Phillip Thomas. The 6-foot-1, 215-pound free safety has been outstanding this season after missing most of 2011 with a broken leg and dislocated ankle. Thomas leads the nation with seven interceptions, including three pick-sixes, and possesses the skill set scouts covet in deep-middle defenders. Most impressively, Thomas displays the cover skills and athleticism to defend slot receivers and tight ends in space. I spoke with an NFC scout familiar with Thomas and he raved about his ball skills, toughness and physicality. With few safeties providing the ability to thrive as a run or pass defender, Thomas could attract a lot of attention from teams looking for a playmaker in the middle of the field.

Aaron Murray, Landry Jones among college prospects to watch - NFL.com

rdf63 · 10-29-2012, 01:26 PM

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Bradley McDougald, S, Kansas
plays both FS and SS, played WR his first two years, solid frame at 6-1 209. Weiss said he was as good as anybody on the team, seams like a Belichick player offense/defense/special teams. I wouldn't mind spending a late round pick on him.

Both McDougald and Thomas could be real sleepers in the draft. McDougald is a tackling machine with versatility to play many positions. I like Thomas but biggest questions are 40 yd speed which range from 4.46 to 4.68 and injuries including broken leg and dislocated ankle. However, he was added to the Bednarik list on October 25th.

Merril Hoge's Tie Knot · 10-29-2012, 02:38 PM

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Has anyone watched S Philip Thomas of Fresno State? Leads the country in INTs with 7 and is starting to have good things said about him. Could be a possible riser.

I asked about him a couple weeks ago. Nobody replied. I checked him out when I saw a Fresno game on tv. I wactched him for about two quarters but I wasn't that impressed. If I was impressed I would have kept watching but there were other games on.

VJCPatriot · 10-30-2012, 10:40 AM

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Has anyone watched S Philip Thomas of Fresno State? Leads the country in INTs with 7 and is starting to have good things said about him. Could be a possible riser.

Sounds interesting. The Pats could definitely use a ballhawking cover safety. I wonder where Philip Thomas is slotted to go, sounds like a late riser.

Phillip Thomas - 2012 Draft Tracker - SI.com
Hmm Thomas is slotted as a 7th round pick. I guess it doesn't hurt to gamble that late in the draft.

What about Desmond Trufant? Anyone know if he would be a fit or when he's projected to go? He's apparently the younger brother of Marcus Trufant. So he has the bloodlines in addition to the apparent talent.v
UW cornerback Desmond Trufant’s a keeper | UW Huskies - The News Tribune

manxman2601 · 10-30-2012, 10:43 AM

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Sounds interesting. The Pats could definitely use a ballhawking cover safety. I wonder where Philip Thomas is slotted to go, sounds like a late riser.

Phillip Thomas - 2012 Draft Tracker - SI.com
Hmm Thomas is slotted as a 7th round pick. I guess it doesn't hurt to gamble that late in the draft.

What about Desmond Trufant? Anyone know if he would be a fit or when he's projected to go? He's apparently the younger brother of Marcus Trufant. So he has the bloodlines in addition to the apparent talent.v
UW cornerback Desmond Trufant’s a keeper | UW Huskies - The News Tribune

I've only seen Trufant a couple of times and liked him but he does seem fairly divisive in the draft community, talked of as anything between a 2nd and a 4th rounder type.

manxman2601 · 10-30-2012, 10:50 AM

Starting to get really intrigued by Logan Ryan, a junior CB out of Rutgers to the extent that I might feature him as a 2nd rounder in my next mock. Watching him does remind me of McCourty and whilst McCourty might not have been the shutdown guy his rookie season suggested, he is still a skilled CB, albeit occasionally mistake ridden. Now I'm starting to think that McCourty could be a leading NFL safety so my plan is to keep him there and draft Logan Ryan in the second or third round to partner Dennard.

Ryan has very good coverage skills, plays physical and supports the run well. Rutgers is clearly a Belichick favourite (Ryan is still part of the Schiano pipeline) and the McCourty twins have both been effective to good NFL CB's so he's prepared well for the step up. I think it was Tony Pauline who said that Ryan is likely to come out this year.

Judge for yourself:

Logan Ryan vs Iowa State 2011 - YouTube

manxman2601 · 10-30-2012, 01:08 PM

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Starting to get really intrigued by Logan Ryan, a junior CB out of Rutgers to the extent that I might feature him as a 2nd rounder in my next mock. Watching him does remind me of McCourty and whilst McCourty might not have been the shutdown guy his rookie season suggested, he is still a skilled CB, albeit occasionally mistake ridden. Now I'm starting to think that McCourty could be a leading NFL safety so my plan is to keep him there and draft Logan Ryan in the second or third round to partner Dennard.

Ryan has very good coverage skills, plays physical and supports the run well. Rutgers is clearly a Belichick favourite (Ryan is still part of the Schiano pipeline) and the McCourty twins have both been effective to good NFL CB's so he's prepared well for the step up. I think it was Tony Pauline who said that Ryan is likely to come out this year.

Judge for yourself:

Logan Ryan vs Iowa State 2011 - YouTube

Might be shortlived putting Ryan in my mock because I've started to fall a little in love with Micah Hyde of Iowa:

Micah Hyde vs Pittsburgh 2011 - YouTube

Micah Hyde vs Michigan State & Penn State (2012) - YouTube

I see him as a better version of Tavon Wilson in that he can play CB but may be better at safety. Apparently he's very good on special teams, is clearly a strong tackler, good ball skills although without elite athleticism. Was arrested albeit only for public intoxication so I don't think his stock will be adversly affected - he's currently being projected in the 4th to 5th rounds. McCourty, Wilson and Hyde will give us plenty of options in the secondary.

Additionally, with so many BB chums in the Big 10 (and two of our draftees from there last year) we should get good information on him.

Micah Hyde NFL Draft Scouting Report | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Micah Hyde

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Ochmed Jones · 10-30-2012, 01:50 PM

I have to go back to Alabama. CB Miller and FS Lester are really playing well and would fit right into our defense.

manxman2601 · 10-30-2012, 01:54 PM

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I have to go back to Alabama. CB Miller and FS Lester are really playing well and would fit right into our defense.

I presume you mean Milliner. He's my favourite CB in the draft but unless we stink it up for the rest of the season, we won't get him. I'm warming to Lester but I just don't see anything extraordinary about him. Won't say no though as long as it's not the first round.