BradyManny

Fair enough - I probably overreacted to your post a bit as it is, and I apologize for that. I've taken the liberty of extrapolating someone's POV from a line or two in their post plenty of times, so I probably shouldn't get too upset if others do it. My bad.

Anyway - you make a solid argument. I like Barron - and I wish his stock hadn't risen the way it has in the past couple months. And I will definitely grant you that on tape he looks more athletic & versatile than given credit for. I just don't know if a Barron-Chung secondary is worth the trade-up - how much better will it be? I don't know, but I'm reticent to move up for it.

I see your point about getting two guys in the bottom of round 1 vs. one at the top. On the flip side, I think our best bet is trading down and out - as always. Belichick's MO is to get a 1st rounder for "free", and he's working to get into the top half of the 1st round when he does these (San Fran, Oakland trades). We may have to wait a year or two to draft a player of blue-chip caliber.

Obviously, I can see the argument that the Brady window - which keeps me up at night - should force Belichick's hand. But if we're going to trade up, I want it to be for a lineman.

Rich<3TheWoodhead

Can someone remind me the last draft where BB traded up in the draft. I know he likes to take a 1st round and turn it into another 1st next year but he does it every year when did he actually use it for moving up?

ctpatsfan77

The last time the Pats used two firsts was 2004.

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Joey007

I would like this if Barron falls to say, 18-20 somehow and we trade our 27th and 48th pick.

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captain stone

2002 - gave up their 3rd-rounder to move up 10 spots for Grahambo;

2003 - gave up their 6th-rounder to move up 1 spot for Ty Warren.

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TommyBrady12

what's interesting is that Belichick brought much of his coaching staff to Alabama's Pro Day, including Matt Patricia who was the Safeties Coach (and pseudo D coordinator). I really do think the pats are interested in Barron. BB loves to draft cornerbacks and safeties, and it's a pass driven league.

What would it cost to move up into the top 15? Two first rounders and a late round pick next year?

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"He’s the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. He goes from being a rookie that nobody is expecting anything from, to taking over with people saying he can’t do it, to winning three Super Bowls....It should already be obvious he’s the greatest quarterback to ever have played. "

- Steelers S Troy Polamalu on Tom Brady

manxman2601

Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

According to the trade value chart:

KC @11 - Our two firsts for their #11 and #146 (5th round).
SEA @12 - Our two firsts for their #12 and #106 (4th round)
ARI @13 - Our #27, 48, 126
DAL @14 - Our #27 and #48
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Our two firsts for their #14 and their #81 (3rd round)

I like either Dallas option oersonally. Just depends on whether they're completely sold on Barron or would be happy to get the extra picks. We might have to go all the way up to KC to be sure if that's the way BB wants to go.

TommyBrady12

i don't think dallas would want to trade down. dallas is one of the teams interested in barron. of course that could just false rumors, but if the pats want barron badly they would have to trade with either seattle, KC or arizona. i'm not sure barron is worth it, but the pats do have a mid-second rounder from oakland where they could get some good talent.

belichick has a history of taking players from programs he is familiar with. Saban in Alabama, Randy Edsall formerly of UConn and currently with UMD, Urban Meyer formerly of UF and currently with OSU and Greg Schiano formerly of Rutgers. I think if one of the Alabama kids is available at 27 he goes for it - mostly likely courtney upshaw or donta hightower.

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"He’s the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. He goes from being a rookie that nobody is expecting anything from, to taking over with people saying he can’t do it, to winning three Super Bowls....It should already be obvious he’s the greatest quarterback to ever have played. "

- Steelers S Troy Polamalu on Tom Brady

zgotts

What about a move up for Kirkpatrick?

Barron is best known for his run-stopping abilities, but what we need is a safety who will help against the pass. Kirkpatrick played CB at Alabama, but a lot of people are projecting him to Free Safety (similar to what the Saints did with Malcolm Jenkins when he came out of Ohio State).

I like this better than the Barron move because a) he likely has more versatility than Barron, playing CB or FS, b) he's 6-2, so he can cover big TEs and WRs, c) the move would likely cost less than moving up to get Barron (Barron will probably go in the 11-14 range, Kirkpatrick probably in the 14-20 range).

manxman2601

I note you edited away from "ball-hawking safety" because I was going to come back with:

Dre Kirkpatrick - 3 career Ints

Mark Barron - 12 career Ints.

Timely edit