patsderoer

Because you say so? Sorry to confuse you with FACTS.

Bequette had better production in college, better size.

Anyone who watches Ingram highlights sees that what I have said is true, Ingram did get a lot of his sacks playing DT and overmatching slow footed OGs with his burst. That wont fly much in the NFL

rookBoston

Ingram also had two Interceptions. That's pretty special for a man as big as he is. Let's not be too literal, tho. Stats will only give you part of the story.

There's a lot more going on in Ingram's game than Bequette. Jake plays upfield. Ingram can do that and a lot more for the team. He can drop into coverage, he can be a power back. Has been a punter and a long snapper; not to say he will as a pro, but it speaks to his athleticism and mental versatility. He's just a pretty incredible football player.

I think Bequette might be a Jarvis Green for us.
Ingram would be more like... well, I cant think of anyone that resembles him. Quicker than McGinest with the same size; maybe not as overpowering as Willie in a power game. But an entirely different echelon of talent.

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I respect your perspective. Going through a lot of people smarter than you or I that are former talent evaluators in the NFL, Ingram is rated higher. Your man is considered a third or fourth rounder. Ingram who is bigger than both Steeler OLBs by the name of James Harrison and is as big as LaMarr Woodley. He is as big or bigger than both starting OLBs for the Niners. He is bigger than our former sack leader for that year Tully Banta Cain. Oh yeah....he is bigger that Rob Ninkovitch and Teddy Bruschi. It's not all stats in college. It's does he play fast, is he smart, does he have instincts, does he love the game, etc.

He is rated as one of the top ten players in this Draft. Will BB take him? No. BB is into his very mixed results down trading for quantity rather than quality.
Perhaps the one area BB does NOT DO HIS JOB, is in the Draft room. He is really good at picking decent second tier FA or street guys like Arrington, Woodhead and Moore. He makes good trades as a rule. BB is the best ever coach outside of his Draft record and thus passing on superior talent. It is a credit to his coaching that he can get the most out of inferior players. Imagine if he coached up real talent. In this case Ingram. Ingram is a yes sir, no sir type of kid and loves the game. But BB sees more "value" hunting fourth and fifth rounders. Don't expect him to move up in the early rounds.
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patchick

Rook, am I reading that right? Did you just say that Melvin Ingram is the same size as Willie McGinest?

Sciz

You might be the only one here.

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patsderoer

LoL at this BS "entirely different echelon" of BS.
Like Bequette at his size could not be a powerback if the Pats try him there. Like Bequette cannot be a punter or a long snapper, or even a kicker if the Pats try him there.

Bequette did not have 2 INT, he did however had 8 Fumble Forced in his college career(including 5 in 10 games last season). Ingram has managed to force an amazing 1 Fumble in his college career with his amazing athleticism. Clearly Ingram is on an entire different echelon of talent. That is why he had 8 QBHurries in his college career, while Bequette had only a pitiful 21 QB Hurries. Its not like QBHurries and Fumbles Forced count tho, so the fact that Bequette has more than double in both this categories than Ingram in his college career doesnt matter.

You are right tho that stats do not give up the whole part of the story. The whole part is that Ingram got his sacks and TFLs lined up as DT, and that he could very well not be able to repeat the trick in the NFL. And if he cannot repeat the trick, the team who drafted him in the top 15 will be very pleased that this incredible talent will be able to punt or be a long snapper for them. We all know that getting a punter in the top 15 of the draft is a bargain.

patsderoer

All you have are childish insults, like many other clowns.

kurtinelson

For what its worth I'm just not that high on Ingram or Mercilus. Give me Vinny Curry in round 2.

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SeymourTrophies

To be fair, the top talent evaluators laughed when Mario Williams was picked before Leinhart, Vince Young, and Reggie Bush. Let's not put that much stock in these things. Ingram may remind everyone of James Harrison, so the scouts belabor this and he flies up the board. We always know what drives these things.

Ingram is also 6' 1'' and 260. Ol' T-rex arms is 6'5''. Bequette did have impressive numbers at the combine for a guy who is frequently knocked for his athleticism. No bench numbers though he did say that he would for those interested.

I'm not necessarily in the Beqeutte camp, but I'm not amazed by Ingram either. Between the two, Bequette is definitely the better value. The lateral quickness and knack for just being a gamer is interesting for a guy of his size. The fact that people just told him to play OLB which he didn't expect, he impressed, and he took it in stride and said he's got some work to do is also impressive.

I'm still all about Gholston 2.0, aka Nick Perry though.

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As opposed to this comment....

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