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mike100915

Patriots would take Harvey over Groves.

dryheat44

Version has been revised above. The way I see it, and maybe I'm going about it the wrong way, The move up from #6 to #3 in the revised chart is worth the equivalent of an early third round pick. Certainly Clemens is worth that. And, if I'm not mistaken, Dimitroff liked last year. Perhaps more grease is needed.

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SunnyDenmark

thanks heatster - lots of good thought put into this.

I also think that there will be lots of trades and I too see the Pats trading down twice in the first round (with either Cinci or NO for the 7th pick). Pretty gutsy to state all the trades so I admire your nerve.

But I do have to debate two points:
1) Supposidly there is a blood feud between Al Davis and Howie Long (reported by Don Banks SI). So that may put a crimp on Chris Long going to the Raiders. (On the other hand - Al may be happy to be holding Howies son 'hostage' for the next few years just to spite Howie).

2) As far as the Jests moving up - I can easily see that. But as I posted in an another thread earlier today - I don't think it would be for Ryan but for McFadden. Reason being - why pay big $$$ for veterans on the downsides of their career (Fanica, Mike Jenkins, etc) which is a win -NOW mentality ; when you are just going to pick a rookie QB to re-build around. True, Ryan is NOT a mid-round developmental QB, on the other hand - in the NFL you can count on at least a 1 -2 year steep learning curve for a rookie QB. When was the last time a rookie QB lite the world on fire? On the other hand - a dynamic rookie RB CAN and recent history shows - has produced big numbers their rookie years (behind a good offensive line which it looks like the Jets have now built). If the Jets move up I don't think it will be for Ryan.

Greetings from Denmark.

dryheat44

Possibly. IMO, you're trading a better bill of health for a tougher transition.

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patsfan47

Groves and Cason are the two players I really want in this draft so this mock makes me very very happy. I think Cason is a stud in our system and Groves may be the best pass rusher in this draft, the fact that he is falling makes me very happy

dryheat44

Greeting to Denmark.

The short answer is that I feel (and I believe most GMs feel) that the OL makes the RB, not the other way around in 95% of the cases. I don't believe McFadden to be in that 5%, so to me it makes no sense to invest that much in a RB that won't give you much more than I guy you can draft later. In other words, if they want to draft a QB and RB with their first two picks, Matt Ryan and Felix Jones/Ray Rice/Matt Forte is a better option than Darren McFadden and Joe Flacco, Chad Henne, John Booty. I also believe Thomas Jones has a heck of a lot more in the tank than Chad Pennington....especially if the defense has to guard against the medium-to-deep pass.

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MrBigglesWorth

Ben Rothlesburger?

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Ochmed Jones

Dryheat, I love it. I am in favor of anything that gets us a premier pass rusher and a solid CB on the new revised day 1.

I am still concerned about Grove's heart valve issue, but I love the thought of a healthy Groves lining up outside of a healthier Seymour's shoulder on third and long and BB just feeding the rookie the jet fuel.

The opposing OT has a hard choice on his hands.

sebman2112

Maybe a little trade heavy at the top...

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