New "Stacked board" from Pro Football Weekly

[PATSNUTme]

Here is a new stacked board with some players moving up and some moving down. Also it shows players who have POSSIBLE intelligence character, or injury concerns. FWIW!

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...alue041508.htm

[cstjohn17]

This is interesting, thank you.

[apple strudel]

But what if you have injury, character AND intelligence issues? Bring out the middle names!

Wow. Derrick Harvey is good, but dumb. That's low, calling guys dumb in public. I mean, what purpose does it serve?

Edit: Quentin Groves hits the tricolor trifecta! It's like a christmas tree! That's totally ridiculous. Where the hell do his "character issues" or "intelligence issues" come from? Somebody is just making this stuff up. And using crayons, too.

[PATSNUTme]

Originally Posted by apple strudel

But what if you have injury, character AND intelligence issues? Bring out the middle names!

Wow. Derrick Harvey is good, but dumb. That's low, calling guys dumb in public. I mean, what purpose does it serve?

Edit: Quentin Groves hits the tricolor trifecta! It's like a christmas tree! That's totally ridiculous. Where the hell do his "character issues" or "intelligence issues" come from? Somebody is just making this stuff up. And using crayons, too.

Sorry but that is not true. If you get the draft guides, they go into what they mean.

Just because they mention it doesn't mean that is a real major concern. It means that it's something that could effect the draft status of the player. All the team know this and have or should have checked it out.That's why you see some players fall on draft day.

[VJCPatriot]

Wow Quentin Groves dropping to the bottom of round 2? Hell sign me up for Groves in Round 2 if that happens.

[apple strudel]

Originally Posted by PATSNUTme

Sorry but that is not true. If you get the draft guides, they go into what they mean.

Just because they mention it doesn't mean that is a real major concern. It means that it's something that could effect the draft status of the player. All the team know this and have or should have checked it out.That's why you see some players fall on draft day.

Having some justification is not exactly the same as having a valid justification. On top of that, not all "intelligence issues" are equal, the same way that not all "character issues" are equal. Taking plays off here and there is not the same as fathering a town full of babies. But with this uselessly color coded chart, they are effectively equivalent. As a result, the color coding is totally, unfathomably useless as any form of analytic. And I won't even begin on the intelligence issues. What a crock.

That said, there may be some value in the grades, but Groves is not a second round talent. At least, probably not according to Jacksonville (an educated guess, of course).

[VJCPatriot]

Originally Posted by apple strudel

Having some justification is not exactly the same as having a valid justification. On top of that, not all "intelligence issues" are equal, the same way that not all "character issues" are equal. Taking plays off here and there is not the same as fathering a town full of babies. But with this uselessly color coded chart, they are effectively equivalent. As a result, the color coding is totally, unfathomably useless as any form of analytic. And I won't even begin on the intelligence issues. What a crock.

That said, there may be some value in the grades, but Groves is not a second round talent. At least, probably not according to Jacksonville (an educated guess, of course).

I agree that he won't get by Jacksonville at #26. Several of PFW's ratings don't jive with how I see the players, but whatever, it's their opinion.

[Metaphors]

Originally Posted by apple strudel

As a result, the color coding is totally, unfathomably useless as any form of analytic. And I won't even begin on the intelligence issues. What a crock.

Wonderlic Scores
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Quentin Groves (falling with intelligence issues) = 25 right / 38 answered
Tracy Porter (rising with no intelligence issues) = 4 / 23

Now while I don't have a lot of faith that Wonderlic scores translate to football IQ...when Vince Young makes fun of your Wonderlic results, ya got issues.

[sebman2112]

The character "concern" with Groves stems from something that happened in 2006.

The medical history is obvious since he had dislocated toes in 2007 (played through the injury), and recently underwent a simple procedure, that could possibly worry some NFL teams, even though it really shouldn't.

That supposed intelligence issue is complete bull***** though. He was an early graduate at Auburn, which is not generally something an idiot accomplishes. Really, this reminds me of the rocket scientist who called Groves a "classic workout warrior", even though he's Auburns career sack leader, and was a defensive captain.

[PonyExpress]

Gosselin's latest rankings also have Groves falling with an arrow. The Pats may get a shot at Avril or Groves at the end of rd 2.