a LB and two CB's by Pick 69 - New England Patriots Forums

***mgteich*** · 04-12-2008, 09:29 PM

It's been a long time since I was so excited about a draft. This draft has what we need at the spots where we have picks. I am prepared to be disappointed, but the first three rounds could be awesome for the patriots!

For me, I cannot move my focus beyond linebacker and corner until these needs are taken care of. The reason for that is NOT need. Needs can be met with later picks, free agency or trades. My reason is that the players we need are there.

FIRST
Chris Long, Gholston or Harvey (or even Rivers)
We might need to move up, or not.

SECOND/TOPTHIRD #62 and #69
We could have a move up using our #94 if it hasn't already been used.

Godfrey and King certainly seems doable. Porter might take a minor move. So, two of the three seems very, very possible. Other might put Lee in the mix.

We might consider moving up for Cason, Flowers, Talib or Groves if #94 is enough to make the deal.

I suppose, I'd be OK with Williams at 94, but it seems we should be able to do better with an earlier pick. If #94 is still there, I'd be fine with Williams as our THIRD corner picked. Even if Hobbs and Bryant are locks to make the team; no one else is, and I'm not so sure of Bryant.

JoePats · 04-12-2008, 10:53 PM

I'd like to see 2 CBs and 2 LBs, one being an edge rusher and one an ILB, picked, not including the 6th and 7th round picks.

***mgteich*** · 04-12-2008, 11:43 PM

I'm fine with a 4th-5th prospect at ILB. However, I think that it is a waste of a pick, unless he is a top Ster. Such a player is unlikely to make the squad. We'd rather re-sign Seau.

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Originally Posted by JoePats

I'd like to see 2 CBs and 2 LBs, one being an edge rusher and one an ILB, picked, not including the 6th and 7th round picks.

SamBamsFan · 04-13-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

It's been a long time since I was so excited about a draft. This draft has what we need at the spots where we have picks. I am prepared to be disappointed, but the first three rounds could be awesome for the patriots!

For me, I cannot move my focus beyond linebacker and corner until these needs are taken care of. The reason for that is NOT need. Needs can be met with later picks, free agency or trades. My reason is that the players we need are there.

FIRST
Chris Long, Gholston or Harvey (or even Rivers)
We might need to move up, or not.

SECOND/TOPTHIRD #62 and #69
We could have a move up using our #94 if it hasn't already been used.

Godfrey and King certainly seems doable. Porter might take a minor move. So, two of the three seems very, very possible. Other might put Lee in the mix.

We might consider moving up for Cason, Flowers, Talib or Groves if #94 is enough to make the deal.

I suppose, I'd be OK with Williams at 94, but it seems we should be able to do better with an earlier pick. If #94 is still there, I'd be fine with Williams as our THIRD corner picked. Even if Hobbs and Bryant are locks to make the team; no one else is, and I'm not so sure of Bryant.

I would move up for Long. If BB/ Pioli decided to move up for Goulston, I would be all right with it. Right now I'm on the fence. Harvey is a Tampa-2 DE IMO. Rivers is the best ILB in a very average year. He will be overdrafted by someone just because of position scarcity. IMM he should go in the low 20's.

Lot's of talented DB's in the second/ third round. I like many of them. I don't like King, who never has played to his talent levels. Can he be "coached up".. Perhaps. I prefer to draft players when I am more sure of their floor, especially in a year with as much talent as '08 appears to have.

Link for Matrix:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fea...aluechart.html

I don't think Gosselin has published his top- 100. I think he has just done his top- 5 by position.

MrBigglesWorth · 04-13-2008, 07:35 AM

We absolutely need a playmaker LB witht he first pick. Defense wins Championships.

OLB or bust. There is very little depth behind AD and Vrabel. If Woods was legit he would have played more in SB

SamBamsFan · 04-13-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth

We absolutely need a playmaker LB witht he first pick. Defense wins Championships.

OLB or bust. There is very little depth behind AD and Vrabel. If Woods was legit he would have played more in SB

That's just plain silly. If there is no LB of value then we simply draft another position. We can invent a value for a player based on perceived need otherwise we are throwing away the value of the pick. Can we trade down to that value? Maybe.

MrBigglesWorth · 04-13-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SamBamsFan

That's just plain silly. If there is no LB of value then we simply draft another position. We can invent a value for a player based on perceived need otherwise we are throwing away the value of the pick. Can we trade down to that value? Maybe.

I'm not saying it's gonna be #7, but it better be a first rounder whether trade up or down. If there is a cb with the first rounder I'm gonna flip. You can't expect to get a playmaker in the bottom of the second round. LB can no longer be ingored. If you don't have passrushers you can have any cb and they're gonna struggle to cover for over 5 secs

***BelichickFan*** · 04-13-2008, 08:53 AM

I don't see two CB that early. We've more than replaced Gay with Bryant and added depth with whichever one of the other two signings makes the team. I only see room for one more CB.

***mgteich*** · 04-13-2008, 09:21 AM

If Rivers is an ILB worthy of being picked in the first round, then he will be high on our board. We are one of the teams for whom an ILB is worth much more than to others.

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Originally Posted by SamBamsFan

I would move up for Long. If BB/ Pioli decided to move up for Goulston, I would be all right with it. Right now I'm on the fence. Harvey is a Tampa-2 DE IMO. Rivers is the best ILB in a very average year. He will be overdrafted by someone just because of position scarcity. IMM he should go in the low 20's.

Lot's of talented DB's in the second/ third round. I like many of them. I don't like King, who never has played to his talent levels. Can he be "coached up".. Perhaps. I prefer to draft players when I am more sure of their floor, especially in a year with as much talent as '08 appears to have.

Link for Matrix:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fea...aluechart.html

I don't think Gosselin has published his top- 100. I think he has just done his top- 5 by position.

***patchick*** · 04-13-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

I don't see two CB that early. We've more than replaced Gay with Bryant and added depth with whichever one of the other two signings makes the team. I only see room for one more CB.

I disagree, BF. Here's the current CB lineup with last contract year:

2008 Antwain Spann
2008 Jason Webster
2008 Fernando Bryant
2008 Tim Mixon
2008 Lewis Sanders
2009 Ellis Hobbs
2010 Mike Richardson

That's only 2 guys under contract after this season -- and how many of the whole group can you really consider locks or even near-locks for a roster spot? Meanwhile we're looking at an absolutely terrific CB draft class. I can definitely see room for two picks.