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I agree with the poster who would have moved up from 62 a bit and pick Porter instead of an OT. For me, the value for us at OL is in the top 10 or in the 4th or later.
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ROUND TWO
1. (32) Miami - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
2. (33) St. Louis - Sam Baker, OT, USC
3. (34) Atlanta(from Oakland) - Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
4. (35) Kansas City - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
5. (36) New York Jets - Cliff Avril,DE/OLB, Purdue
6. (37) Atlanta - Sam Baker, OT, USC
7. (38) Baltimore- Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
8. (39) San Francisco- Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
9. (40) New Orleans- Kenny Phillips, S, Miami
10. (41) Buffalo- Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
11. (42) Denver - Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
12. (43) Carolina -Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
13. (44) Chicago - James Hardy, WR, Indiana
14. (45) Detroit - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fl)
15. (46) Cincinnati - Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
16. (47) Minnesota - Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma
17. (48) Atlanta (from Houston) - Tavares Gooden OLB Miami, FL
18. (49) Philadelphia - DaJuan Morgan, S, North Carolina St.
19. (50) Arizona -Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
20. (51) Washington – Tyrell Johnson, S, Ark. St.
21. (52) Tampa Bay - Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
22. (53) Pittsburgh - Oniel Cousins, Texas-El Paso (OT)
23. (54) Tennessee - Eddie Royal, WR,Virginia Tech
24. (55) Seattle - Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
25. (56) Green Bay - Fred Davis, TE, USC
26. (57) Miami (from San Diego)- Early Doucet, WR, LSU
27. (58) Jacksonville - Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas
28. (59) Indianapolis - Xavier Adibi, LB, VA Tech
29. (60) Green Bay - Martellus Bennett, TE, Tex A&M
30. (61) Dallas - Tracy Porter, DB , Indiana
31. (62) New England - Duane Brown, OT, VA Tech
32. (63) New York Giants - Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
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I don't understand using #78 for an OL. King (CB picked at 89) seems more of a need for us. Goff is a reach at #69, an unnecessary one if we took care of business in the first round. #69 could be Godfrey (a cb who you have at 77)
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ROUND THREE
1. (64) Miami – Reggie Smith, CB, Oklahoma
2. (65) St. Louis - Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
3. (66) Kansas City - Tony Hills, OT, Texas
4. (67) Carolina Panthers (from NY Jets) – Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska
5. (68) Atlanta - Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon
6.(69) New England (from Oakland) - Jonathan Goff, LB, Vanderbilt
7. (70) Chicago - Kevin Smith, RB, Cent. Fla.
8. (71) Buffalo (from Baltimore) - John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
9. (72) Jacksonville (from Buffalo) - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
10. (73) Minnesota (from Denver) - Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
11. (74) Carolina - Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
12. (75) San Francisco - Bruce Davis, OLB, UCLA
13. (76) Detroit - Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
14. (77) Cincinnati - Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
15. (78) New England(from New Orleans) - Mike Pollack, C, Arizona St.
16. (79) Houston - Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State
17. (80) Philadelphia - Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
18. (81) Arizona -
19. (82) Minnesota - Darrell Robertson DE G Tech
20. (83) Tampa Bay - Dre Moore, DT, Maryland
21. (84) Washington - Thomas DeCloud, S, California
22. (85) Tennessee - Chris Ellis, DE, Va Tech
23. (86) Seattle - Lavelle Hawkins, WR, California
24. (87) Detroit (from Cleveland) - Erin Henderson OLB Maryland
25. (88) Pittsburgh - Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
26. (89) Jacksonville - Justin King, CB, Penn St
27. (90) Chicago (from San Diego) - Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
28. (91) Green Bay - Steve Slaton, RB, WV
29. (92) Dallas - Eris Young, OG/ OT, Tennessee
30. (93) Indianapolis - Mike McGlynn OG Pittsburgh
31. (94) New England - Jack Williams, CB, Kent State
32. (95) New York Giants - Beau Bell, ILB, UNLV
33. (96) Washington – Steven Justice, C, Wake Forest
34. (97) Cincinnati - Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
35. (98) Atlanta - Philip Wheeler, LB, Georgia Tech
36. (99) Baltimore – Kendall Lansford, DE, Hampton
ROUND ONE
trade up our 94 to move to #5 to pick Long or Gholston or wait and pick Harvey
ROUND TWO #62
Move up a bit to get Porter or even further to get Cason
ROUND THREE #69
Godfrey or King
ROUND THREE #94
I hope this pick has been traded to move up.
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This is still a work in progress. Commentary is upcoming (but delayed as someone in my house thinks that it is important to get a kitchen floor laid before guests arrive tomorrow). Your comments are appreciated & certainly might affect the more polished revision that will come out this week.
One trade so far. New England trades #7 to the New Orleans Saints for their #10 & #78.
Dig in....
ROUND ONE
1. Miami - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2. St. Louis - Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3. Atlanta - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
4. Oakland - Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State
5. Kansas City - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
7. New Orleans (from SF, Through NE) - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
8. Baltimore - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
9. Cincinnati - Keith Rivers, OLB, USC
10. New England (from NO) - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
11. Buffalo - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
12. Denver - Chris Williams OT, Vanderbilt
13. Carolina - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
14. Chicago - Branden Albert, OG, Virginia
15. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
16. Arizona - Mike Jenkins, CB, USF
17. Minnesota - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St.
18. Houston - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
19. Philadelphia - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tenn
20. Tampa Bay - DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal
21. Washington - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
22. Dallas - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
23. Pittsburgh- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
24. Tennessee - Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
25. Seattle - Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
26. Jacksonville - Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn
27. San Diego - Dan Connor, OLB, Penn State
28. Dallas - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
29. San Francisco - Gosder Cherilus, OG, Boston College
30. Green Bay - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
31. New England ***pick stolen***
32. New York Giants - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
I like Round 1, but 2 and 3 not so much... Brown and Pollack are not needed, Goff is way too early IMO, and there are better players at more needed positions available such as Godfrey.
I agree with you 100%.
I am curious. Will some one explain Goff to me? Everyone on this site loves him. What am I missing? The book on him is slow and can't cover well, not particularly a thumper but smart. Other than that he is not particularly strong. Is he the younger version of what we have now? I'd like to like him but I cannot see it?
I see a few better like Mayo.
DW Toys
ROUND ONE
trade up our 94 to move to #5 to pick Long or Gholston or wait and pick Harvey
ROUND TWO #62
Move up a bit to get Porter or even further to get Cason
ROUND THREE #69
Godfrey or King
ROUND THREE #94
I hope this pick has been traded to move up.
mg, hypothetically. Carl Peterson says to Belichick he'll move down 2 spots but instead of 94 he wants 69. Say C Long is there and Gholston is gone. What do you do?
You know I wouldn't hesitate. I would expect a later pick back though.
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Originally Posted by JoePats
mg, hypothetically. Carl Peterson says to Belichick he'll move down 2 spots but instead of 94 he wants 69. Say C Long is there and Gholston is gone. What do you do?
I like Round 1, but 2 and 3 not so much... Brown and Pollack are not needed, Goff is way too early IMO, and there are better players at more needed positions available such as Godfrey.
I never have figured that out. We won 18 games last year. How many players that we draft will potentially start in '08. Brown and Pollack are solid, talented players in the Patriots style, and when we do have a need (due to injuries, etc) they should be able to step up so that we don't lose a beat. In a year, or two I think they both start. I am really concerned with the repeated injuries to the right side of the line, more than even ILB & DB. Protecting Brady should be everything in our system.
Goff was just throwing the board a bone after Brown and Pollack. If you saw who I was really considering... It was too early.
This was a preliminary board. I don't think that you can really say that the Pats should draft players x, y, & z without looking at the needs of the other teams around us- basically to see who really might be available. I like the first round trade, but I really don't see us taking all the picks- 62,69,78 & 94. IMM there will be a trade up. Now I have to sit back and determine for whom, and with whom. Don't be surprised if Goff/ Pollack don't make it to the edited version.
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ROUND ONE
So you project that we take the risk of trading and then lose our opportunity at one of the top LB's? I would only trade down to 10 if bb was happy with taking either Harvey or Rivers. Given what is available later and our needs, McKelvin is a terrible pick for us.
Rivers and Harvey should both be in the 20's on the Patriots Draft board (not the they will be drafted there, but in terms of how well they fit out scheme). I'd rather pick Mayo, or Groves in the 20's but the question is how do we get there? With the exception of Dallas, I don't see any teams with the where withall to move down to #7. Do we do a second trade? Possibly, but I think it would be a remote possibility. I've come around on McKelvin to where I think he is the cb that would be the best fit for the Pats. By trading with NO I picked the player I wanted anyway- and also picked up pick #78 for further ammunition.
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I agree with the poster who would have moved up from 62 a bit and pick Porter instead of an OT.
I like Porter. I like Godfrey (I have him as one of my picks in the pick- 8). I see Godfrey more as a nickel who might become a exceptional S. As I said previously, I do see us making a move, though at this time I don't have the particulars. I don't think I would move up for Porter- there are too many other cb's I like as well, and I feel one of them will drop.
[/QUOTE]For me, the value for us at OL is in the top 10 or in the 4th or later.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing that you mean the top- 20 where Long, Clady, Williams,Otah & Albert should all fall. I think that you are wrong. I think that what makes this draft special is in the depth of the top OL'men. Beyond the 1st rounders, Baker, Collins & Brown are all top, talented linemen, that in a more normal year would be getting a lot more pre- draft consideration. After Collins/ Brown, I think that there is a big dropoff in talent to the next tier. I was very happy to get Brown.
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I don't understand using #78 for an OL. King (CB picked at 89) seems more of a need for us. Goff is a reach at #69, an unnecessary one if we took care of business in the first round. #69 could be Godfrey (a cb who you have at 77)
Best available. King has never seemed to play up to his obvious talents. Given the choice between King and J Williams, I would rather have Williams (who I can get later anyway). I like Godfrey, but after looking at the way the board shaped up, I went for the best available talent. I feel that Pollack can also help us at Guard. Think of him as a huge talent upgrade from Hochstein.
Like I said in a previous post I don't see a linebacker in our 1st round future, just because of values (and I doubt that Harvey will succeed at OLB anyway).
Goff was an overdraft.
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04-12-2008, 08:44 PM
Re: Uncle Sam's 3 Round mock 1.0
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