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***convertedpatsfan*** · 03-03-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

You're kind of making my point for me. Just because the team won with Smith as the RB, people dismiss the position. Well, when one spot is a weakness, others have to make up for it. Back when Smith was racking up 4.3, 3.9 and 3.5 ypc, and Brady was still "game manager" Brady, the team had a defense that could pick up the slack. This team doesn't, so the idea that it's ok to have crap at RB just doesn't hold water.

I actually liked Smith for the same reasons I like Benny. They're not spectacular, but consistently fall forward for positive yardage. In that respect, I don't consider them weaknesses. They weren't really home-run threats, but they put the offense in good situations consistently, which was a good complement to Brady's strengths in the short/intermediate passing game.

You're right about the defense carried the team early on, no doubt. And I'm not saying I'd be against a Pro Bowl caliber back. The team was much better with Corey Dillon back there. But it isn't essential for our offense like it would be for some others.

Off The Grid · 03-03-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by patsinthesnow

2008 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first 3 RBs taken in one of the best RB classes ever:

4th Darren Mcfadden
13th Johnathan Stewart
22nd Felix Jones

RBs taken after those 3

23rd Rashard Mendenhall
24th Chris Johnson
44th Matt Forte
55th Ray Rice
73rd Jamaal Charles
149th Tim Hightower
227th Peyton Hillis
Undrafted BJGE
Undrafted Woodhead
Undrafted Tolbert

Enough with RB in round 1!

BOO Yah!! PREACH it, Brother Snow!!

Spike · 03-04-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I'd much rather see BB spend coin on a DeAngelo Williams, for example, and draft OLB/DE/OG with the first 3 picks. The talent lines up much better that way, IMO.

I like this plan.

Spike · 03-04-2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Agreed. Obviously, an RB drafted at #17 is likely to be much better than one drafted later. The question is whether the TEAM is going to be better with, say, RB #17 and DE #92 or the reverse.

Take your pick. (Let's assume for the exercise that #28 is an OT, #33 OLB, #60 OG, #74 traded for a 2012 2nd.):

17. DE J.J. Watt + 92. RB Delone Carter
17. RB Mark Ingram + 92. DE Lawrence Guy

You're tailoring the picks to make your argument. Very disingenuous.

Spike · 03-04-2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by meggett

Fair point. But if you look at the draft order, there are only two 3-4 teams picking between our pick at 17 and 28. ( maybe 3, i dont know what KC runs), so not factoring in trades, which is impossible anyway, if we are looking for a 3-4 DE or OLB at 17, there is a good chance he or someone close in value will be there at 28.

17 New England Patriots 3-4
18 San Diego Chargers 3-4
19 New York Giants 4-3
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-3
21 Kansas City Chiefs ?
22 Indianapolis Colts 4-3
23 Philadelphia Eagles 4-3
24 New Orleans Saints 4-3
25 Seattle Seahawks 4-3
26 Baltimore Ravens 3-4
27 Atlanta Falcons 4-3
28 New England Patriots 3-4

Very well done. Good info here.

Spike · 03-04-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FredFromDartmouth

Ack please no. There should be a rule for the Patriots along the lines of No-First-Round-RBs and it should be filed with the No-first-round-TEs and No-WRs-from-Florida. Actually never draft another WR in the early rounds.

When was the last time the Patriots drafted an impact RB? Curtis Martin in 1995? Sam Cunningham in 73?

When was the last time the Patriots drafted an impact WR? Terry Glenn in 1996? Irving Fryar?

How about the WR busts? This is a long list headed by Chad Jackson. Also don't forget Tony Simmons and Bethel Johnson.

No that Patriots should stick to what they do best; draft for defense and OL.

I've love to see them do this. I would bet my house they won't, as Bill will almost certainly take one (or more) of those picks and do his usual trading up for future picks (which has worked out very well). But putting high picks towards defense and OL would make me happy.

Taking the RB is just the sexy thing.

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 03-04-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by meggett

Fair point. But if you look at the draft order, there are only two 3-4 teams picking between our pick at 17 and 28. ( maybe 3, i dont know what KC runs), so not factoring in trades, which is impossible anyway, if we are looking for a 3-4 DE or OLB at 17, there is a good chance he or someone close in value will be there at 28.

17 New England Patriots 3-4
18 San Diego Chargers 3-4
19 New York Giants 4-3
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-3
21 Kansas City Chiefs ?
22 Indianapolis Colts 4-3
23 Philadelphia Eagles 4-3
24 New Orleans Saints 4-3
25 Seattle Seahawks 4-3
26 Baltimore Ravens 3-4
27 Atlanta Falcons 4-3
28 New England Patriots 3-4

It's not that clear cut a thing. SD, KC, Bal all play some version of a 3-4, then you have Philly who consistently targets the same defenders as NE and NYG whose DTs are often players whom NE would like for DE, NO is trying to emulate NE, and Atlanta has a NE GM who is looking for the same kind of character players, even if they run a different scheme. So if NE thought Ryan Kerrigan was a high character edge rusher for OLB, Philly, NYG, and ATL would love the same kind of player for DE or Sam LB. I count seven clubs who would love to know the NE draft board because the same players are likely in the same place on their boards.

jeffbiologist · 03-04-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

You do realize that TD was a 6th round pick, though, yes??

An No, Ingram isn't close to being the type of runner that Terrell Davis was.

Yes I realize he was a 6th round pick, but would you have argued if he were drafted in the first??? He certainly had the value didnt he? Ingram is safely predicted to be better than Davis was predicted, maybe he will turn out better you simply dont know. Its easy to pick a RANDOM RB in the middle or low rounds as an example, but the bust rate is far far lower in the first round, particularly with the consensus #1 RB. That said, I still wouldnt do it myself but I could understand if BB did.

***tricktak*** · 03-08-2011, 07:15 PM

BJGE will probably drop off a little from last year but I think he along with Woodhead did enough to convince the Patriots that running back isn't as big of a need anymore. They have other need they need to go for besides running back. I do think they will get a running but not until the 3rd or 4th round. Aat that point I really like Kendall Hunter, When I watch tape of him he reminds me of another who was drafted in that range, Maurice Jones-Drew. Hunter is similar in size (5'6") and running style to Jones-Drew. He's a true late round GEM.