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stinkypete · 02-15-2011, 06:23 AM

Anyone else notice the glaring omission of Aldon Smith on these rankings>

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 02-17-2011, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BradyManny

Thanks BOR. Curious to get your thoughts - and others here - on the three he lists. Watt/Heyward/Jordan all - on paper - seem too small. I have to say in terms of play, I like what I've seen of Watt & Jordan, specifically, but it is hard to get past that they MIGHT (we'll see in a couple weeks) be 10-15 pounds under what we look for in a 34 end.

Watt: When I saw him at the beginning of the season I felt he needed another year and should not come out as a Junior. I caught him later in the season and he had clearly improved his technique and consistency, by the Rose Bowl I was no longer concerned with his early declaration intentions. He appears to have the work ethic to continually improve his game, he's got great length for clogging throwing lanes and fending off blockers, he needs to get stronger and improve his technique, but that's a given for rookies and he's one whom I believe will cheerfully put in the work to get better. He's got athleticism which BB & Co. can move around in different roles to create mismatches and pressure the QB. I like him and would have no beef if he was NE's #17 pick.

Heyward: He looked great in his bowl game, not so much during the season when I saw him - which leads me to ask, why? My impression, he's inconsistent. I'll pass.

Jordan: There is a link above of highlights for Jordan against Colorado - big whoop - I watched that game to evaluate Jordan among others and would not give him a first round grade if that game was the standard. He was working against a redshirt freshman RT the entire game and his highlights were few and far between. I watched him the next week against Nevada, he was invisible. He had an impressive Senior Bowl week, but for all the hype from guys like Bunting and Kiper, this kid did not sell me in the games I watched where he was working against players he should have dominated. I'll pass.

I like Fairley and Dareus, and believe both will go too early for NE. Watt is a value at 17, as is Stephen Paea and Muhammed Wilkerson.
-- Paea is short at 6'1", but he's got long arms, is naturally strong, and is still learning the game. While he is light for NT with a Senior Bowl weigh-in of 295, Mike Wright is a quality reserve NT at that weight and I think Paea with some technique improvement could be a multiple position player for NE who can grow into a starter as he gains experience. I also think he had slimmed down in his workouts for the Combine and believe NE's S&C staff can turn him into an explosive 300-305+ player. The one concern I might have is his height makes it harder for him to find the ball.
-- Wilkerson has prototypical NE DE size, good lateral mobility, he played against decent mid-major competition in the MAC, and he was playing all four DL slots in Temple's 40 front so he's versatile. Watching him play this season he looked like a blend of Ty Warren and Mike Wright the way he held strong at the point of attack and collapsed the pocket.

Later in the draft, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Nield, Pernell McPhee (needs bulk, possible OLB), Karl Klug (undersized, possible OLB), Brandon Bair (needs bulk, possible OLB), Ian Williams (NT), Jerrell Powe (NT).

BradyManny · 02-17-2011, 12:32 PM

Great stuff Box, many thanks for the breakdown.

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Watt: When I saw him at the beginning of the season I felt he needed another year and should not come out as a Junior. I caught him later in the season and he had clearly improved his technique and consistency, by the Rose Bowl I was no longer concerned with his early declaration intentions. He appears to have the work ethic to continually improve his game, he's got great length for clogging throwing lanes and fending off blockers, he needs to get stronger and improve his technique, but that's a given for rookies and he's one whom I believe will cheerfully put in the work to get better. He's got athleticism which BB & Co. can move around in different roles to create mismatches and pressure the QB. I like him and would have no beef if he was NE's #17 pick.

Good to see an endorsement of Watt. I too like Watt's length. I will be extremely intrigued to see what he weighs in at. If he measures up on tape - and it sounds like it does - then all it would take would be him weighing in an acceptable range (290+) and I think he'd be a fit for #17. But we can't really project a guy adding more than 10LBS, I would wager.

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-- Wilkerson has prototypical NE DE size, good lateral mobility, he played against decent mid-major competition in the MAC, and he was playing all four DL slots in Temple's 40 front so he's versatile. Watching him play this season he looked like a blend of Ty Warren and Mike Wright the way he held strong at the point of attack and collapsed the pocket.

Wilkerson looks the part it seems. I imagine his stock will rise and at some point, 28 might not be good enough to land him. A combination of Ty Warren and Mike Wright pretty much seems like exactly what we need - a 3 down player who is stout against the run and can push the pocket as a pass rusher. I love the sound of that.

Some of those later-round guys you mention seem like good value. Granted I personally don't know much about them but if we miss out on Watt/Wilkerson, then I think I'd be OK grabbing one of those guys and continue with the throw it against the wall, see how sticks approach. We have a lot of guys competing at DL already next year, a few more mid-round big-bodies increases the odds of finding what we need.

However, the chance to upgrade in round 1 is enticing.

WesWelker83 · 02-17-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Watt: When I saw him at the beginning of the season I felt he needed another year and should not come out as a Junior. I caught him later in the season and he had clearly improved his technique and consistency, by the Rose Bowl I was no longer concerned with his early declaration intentions. He appears to have the work ethic to continually improve his game, he's got great length for clogging throwing lanes and fending off blockers, he needs to get stronger and improve his technique, but that's a given for rookies and he's one whom I believe will cheerfully put in the work to get better. He's got athleticism which BB & Co. can move around in different roles to create mismatches and pressure the QB. I like him and would have no beef if he was NE's #17 pick.

Heyward: He looked great in his bowl game, not so much during the season when I saw him - which leads me to ask, why? My impression, he's inconsistent. I'll pass.

Jordan: There is a link above of highlights for Jordan against Colorado - big whoop - I watched that game to evaluate Jordan among others and would not give him a first round grade if that game was the standard. He was working against a redshirt freshman RT the entire game and his highlights were few and far between. I watched him the next week against Nevada, he was invisible. He had an impressive Senior Bowl week, but for all the hype from guys like Bunting and Kiper, this kid did not sell me in the games I watched where he was working against players he should have dominated. I'll pass.

I like Fairley and Dareus, and believe both will go too early for NE. Watt is a value at 17, as is Stephen Paea and Muhammed Wilkerson.
-- Paea is short at 6'1", but he's got long arms, is naturally strong, and is still learning the game. While he is light for NT with a Senior Bowl weigh-in of 295, Mike Wright is a quality reserve NT at that weight and I think Paea with some technique improvement could be a multiple position player for NE who can grow into a starter as he gains experience. I also think he had slimmed down in his workouts for the Combine and believe NE's S&C staff can turn him into an explosive 300-305+ player. The one concern I might have is his height makes it harder for him to find the ball.
-- Wilkerson has prototypical NE DE size, good lateral mobility, he played against decent mid-major competition in the MAC, and he was playing all four DL slots in Temple's 40 front so he's versatile. Watching him play this season he looked like a blend of Ty Warren and Mike Wright the way he held strong at the point of attack and collapsed the pocket.

Later in the draft, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Nield, Pernell McPhee (needs bulk, possible OLB), Karl Klug (undersized, possible OLB), Brandon Bair (needs bulk, possible OLB), Ian Williams (NT), Jerrell Powe (NT).

Hey Box thanks for this informative write up. Wilkerson has been my binky from day 1. I really hope we draft him. I was wondering if you could let me know your thoughts on some possibilites for the Pats at 3-4 OLB. I really think its a possibility we take nobody until round 3 or 4. Belichick might really feel comfortable with Ninkovich and Cunningham as his starting OLBs. Anyways what do you think about these guys and their potential fit as a Patriot OLB:

Robert Quinn UNC
Aldon Smith Mizzu
Ryan Kerrigan Purdue
Justin Houston Georgia
Brooks Reed Arizona
KJ Wright Miss St
Jabaal Sheard Pitt
Jeremy Beal Oklahoma
Markus White FSU
Mark Herzlich BC

Is there anybody else I am missing who could fit in our D?