Rotoworld MocK: OL, DE for the Pats in Round 1 - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

MaineMan · 02-08-2011, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sciz

Heyward is a little undersized horizontally, but that's the kind of thing that can be fixed. Not like somebody like Adrian Clayborn, who doesn't really have the frame to add enough weight to play OLB.

Heyward regularly disappeared in games this past season. A lot of people like to cite his dominant performance at the bowl game as to why he'd be a good fit. Well, if he's that good, where was he the rest of the season?

I've heard this before. I'm just wondering - which games? and - how did he "disappear"?

bucky · 02-08-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sciz

Oops, yep! DE, not OLB.

Ideal weight is over 300, but players who lack length like him usually need extra bulk to hold up. A perfect example is Ron Brace, who is 6-3, but 330 pounds, and GWarren, who is a shade under 6-4, but also 330. For Heyward, who is right around 6-6, anything over 300 or so should be plenty, given the extra length.

I don't think this is necessary. Shawn Ellis is about 6'4 and a half, and was in the 280s when he was drafted. He plays around 290 ish. Seymour was about 10-15 pounds heavier, but was also over 6'6. Jarvis Green was undersized - 6'3" and 275. Add 2 inches and 15 pounds to Jarvis and you get a full time player who can get to the QB.

There are a couple of guys who fit that profile in this year's draft - Cameron Jodran, JJ Watt, Calyborn, and Heyward. Watt has a major question mark as to how much he actually weighs and his functional strength. Clayborn may be undersized in all phases. Heyward is not as good a pass rusher as the other 3. So Jordan, to me, is the #1 DE prospect.

dryheat44 · 02-08-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

If we don't re-sign Light, I'm fine with an OT and a DE, although at this point I think that I would choose Jordan and Carimi.

My thoughts exactly...well kind of exactly. I like Sherrod, but at #17 that seems like a move out of desperation. There's a lot of front-seven talent available at that spot which would be tough to pass over.

WhiZa · 02-08-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaineMan

Heyward is 6'5"+ (I've seen him listed at 6'6") and 288 (I've seen him listed at 290). I've seen much shorter guys who are not much heavier being flogged as "THE answer" for the Pats at DE.

there are plenty of players under 300lbs who are predicted to be a good fit in the Pats DE mold, but what we've seen over the years is the Pats actually getting bigger at the position if anything. The undersized guys like Green or Wright were more projects for BB that panned out. I can't seem him taking a project in the first couple rounds (ie heyward).

IllegalContact · 02-08-2011, 09:47 AM

christian ballard showed well at the senior bowl both during the week of practice and the game. some people don't like him, but he's big (6'5"/297), mobile (4.85) and plays pretty hard

the there's mohammed wilkerson.......also big and aggressive and will likely be a 3rd or 4th rounder due to being a bit raw......he does have the ability to be a 3 down DL

IllegalContact · 02-08-2011, 09:56 AM

I think an OT in round 1 would be the right choice. Solder would be my first choice and I would take him if he was there at #17, otherwise, I would consider jjwatt if his size/weight numbers are real and he shows decent strength at the combine. Ideally, I would like the pats to pull the strings to get both of these guys though I think solder is more important.

I would have no problem with the pats using #28 or #33 on a guy like leshoure......lets face it, green-ellis and woodhead outperformed expectation, but this group needs help in a major way.

leshoure gives you everything........great size/speed combo, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and is great in pass pro. for the first time, brady could have a full-time type of back which allows him to call any play run or pass effectively and not have to juggle green-ellis and woodhead situationally

***patsfaninpittsburgh*** · 02-08-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by IllegalContact

christian ballard showed well at the senior bowl both during the week of practice and the game. some people don't like him, but he's big (6'5"/297), mobile (4.85) and plays pretty hard

the there's mohammed wilkerson.......also big and aggressive and will likely be a 3rd or 4th rounder due to being a bit raw......he does have the ability to be a 3 down DL

There are mock drafts with Wilkerson in the late 1st/early 2nd. Any new info that drops him that late?

The one thing that has to be remembered is that it's very rare to find a finished product in the draft. I think we tend to forget the maturation process of Wilfork and Warren.

It's also worth remembering Wrong Borges and his opinion on Seymour 2001.( A poster does have the quote in his posting)

It seems motor, football IQ, height and expected playing weight are the best focus areas.

If all these guys were polished NFL starters, they would most likely be in the league.

IllegalContact · 02-08-2011, 10:14 AM

1a - OT solder
1b - RB leshoure
2a - OG mike pouncey
2b - LB martez wilson
3a - DL mohammed wilkerson
3b - LB KJ wright
4 - LB brooks reed
5 - DL jarvis jenkins

IllegalContact · 02-08-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpittsburgh

There are mock drafts with Wilkerson in the late 1st/early 2nd. Any new info that drops him that late?

The one thing that has to be remembered is that it's very rare to find a finished product in the draft. I think we tend to forget the maturation process of Wilfork and Warren.

It's also worth remembering Wrong Borges and his opinion on Seymour 2001.( A poster does have the quote in his posting)

It seems motor, football IQ, height and expected playing weight are the best focus areas.

If all these guys were polished NFL starters, they would most likely be in the league.

as far as I know and have seen, wilkerson is expected to be a 3rd rounder. if he moves up, take him in the 2nd round

Patriot Missile · 02-08-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IllegalContact

1a - OT solder
1b - RB leshoure
2a - OG mike pouncey
2b - LB martez wilson
3a - DL mohammed wilkerson
3b - LB KJ wright
4 - LB brooks reed
5 - DL jarvis jenkins

I like it. It just seems to much of a risk to wait on Wilkerson in the 3rd round. If he is picked earlierwho is our DE? Btw I do predict his size, speed and pass rush ability put him on BB's radar. Maybe even at 2a. He has been known to pick players he likes earlier than some would expect via Mankins and Vollmer.