tombonneau

I think most of us would agree that there is at least a 90% chance that Pats are going DB with one of their R1 picks.

I'm not much of a draftnik, so I don't really have my favorite S or CB and will be thrilled with whoever they pick.

And that's because, basically, when it comes to Day 1 DBs and the draft, BB/Pioli are pretty much spot on.

Really, off the top of my head, the only guy that didn't pan out was Brock Williams (3rd round?), and that was because of injuries.

Other than that, they seem to have done real well with Wilson, Sanders, Hobbs, Asante.

This indicates to me that scouting DBs is BB/Pioli's strength, so just remember, whoever they decides is the DB of the Future in Round 1, put your own personal bias aside and just know that in all likelihood he is going to be a player.

Edit: I thought Draft Forum was for talking about specific players, draft trades, etc, and that overall draft talk was main board stuff? I mean honestly, the draft is less than a month away? What are we supposed to be talking about on the main board?

biffman

I agree. I'd love to have these discussions on the main board, especially since I don't visit the draft forum all that often. In any event, this thread is more about BB's track record than about specific players/draftees.

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On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson . . they took Richard Seymour, who is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon. - Ron Borges, MSNBC after 2001 Draft

VJCPatriot

I thought Asante was a 4th round pick. If BB can strike gold on second day, why not the first?

Yup he was a 4th rounder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asante_Samuel

Not really concerned on if Piolichick can draft good guys. They have been consistently good over the years.
Just wondering if they will throw us a curveball in the draft.

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drpatriot

Earlier on in the draft, they have messed up on Dexter Reid and Guss Scott along with Brock Williams.

Antwan Harris, Leonard Myers, and Christina Morton never panned out either.

Overall, they've had a 4 for 10 record, with Willie Andrews still up in the air. In Day 1, they've been 2 for 4 and before the 6th round they've been 4 for 7. So I see them having about a 50% chance of picking someone worthwhile early.

They are by no means "spot on."

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biffman

While I agree that they are not "spot on," I think you're being a little overly critical here.

Dexter Reid was taken in the middle of the 4th round. I wouldn't call that "earlier in the draft."

Gus Scott was hurt, IIRC. While it goes down as a "miss," I don't know if that's an entirely fair tag.

Harris was taken near the end of the sixth round. How many of those players pan out? Ditto for Myers. Morton is still in the league as a ST player. He was picked in the 7th round. Do you really expect a starting CB when picking in the 200s?

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On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson . . they took Richard Seymour, who is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon. - Ron Borges, MSNBC after 2001 Draft

VJCPatriot

Don't you know? BB really whiffed when he didn't pick that kid from Hofstra!

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spacecrime

No way. This is a great way to be able to see draft articles for those of us who obscess about the draft. Kudos the the moderators. Patsfans is much organized this year than last.

Come on over any time you wanrt to read about the latest draft stuff. It only takes a click of the mouse. Not too hard at all.

biffman

Fair enough. To each his own.

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On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson . . they took Richard Seymour, who is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon. - Ron Borges, MSNBC after 2001 Draft

Fencer

They've done a great job on CBs. Samuel, Hobbs, Gay, and Wilson add up to an outstanding track record. Plus they had one injury bust.

Safeties have been kind of blech in the mid rounds. I'd like them to take a high-round shot at safety.

Basically, I trust them on ANY first-round pick. They may not make the best choice, but they consistently make good ones. Every first-round pick they've made except the TEs gets legitimate mention as a "near Pro-Bowler" (or much better in Seymour's case), and I believe those were successful picks as well.

drpatriot

I guess we define that differently. He wasn't counted in my Day 1 chances because he wasn't Day 1. It's just semantics.

Is Andy Katzenmoyer not a bust because he got injured? I realize Guss was a 3rd rounder, not a 1st, but injury busts are still busts.

I agree with you. However, that doesn't make them any more successful than Brock Williams, Dexter Reid or Guss Scott. If you don't think it's realistic, don't look at the overall draft results, only look at the Day 1 results.

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