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TealSox · 03-28-2007, 12:43 AM

Sporting News has me all messed up. Good articles, but Kevin Kolb a first rounder? Antonio Pittman ranked second for running backs? They hated on Dewayne Jarrett, but so do I. Adam Carriker a 2nd-3rd rounder?

I understand that they might want to grade players based on how they will finish their career or something like that, but how can you do even that when you don't take into account the team they will play for. Quinn might amount to a third round pick if drafted by the Raiders, but for the Patriots he might be a first rounder (if not for another Brady). Carriker is big for a 3-4 defense, but in a 4-3 he might be worth less.

Smith and Street or whatever it is called was poor. The mag was falling apart in my hands as I was looking through it and depth was shallow.

***BelichickFan*** · 03-28-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TealSox

Sporting News has me all messed up. Good articles, but Kevin Kolb a first rounder? Antonio Pittman ranked second for running backs? They hated on Dewayne Jarrett, but so do I. Adam Carriker a 2nd-3rd rounder?

I understand that they might want to grade players based on how they will finish their career or something like that, but how can you do even that when you don't take into account the team they will play for.

They aren't predicting the draft nor the success of careers. They are just ranking the talent as they see it. That's it. Ourlads does the same thing, a few years ago they had Charlie Frye ranked ahead of Alex Smith. It's a perfectly viable way to do it - not everyone's opinion has to be the same.

captain stone · 03-28-2007, 10:19 AM

I have bought, but usually don't, The Sporting News Draft Preview. It goes to print just after the combine, but before the pro days. Ergo, much of the player info is somewhat outdated. This year, I might buy it just to see if, in 3-4 years, Lande knew about what he was talking. TSN also has a Draft Preview section in its last issue before the draft, with updated rankings. I always buy that one. I also have bought a one-month online membership in their WarRoom, but was not very impressed; Their printable overall rankings go only as high as "Super 99".

Instead of buying PFW's "big book", I wait for the Draft Preview issue. It has an updated Player Printout, with rankings both overall and by position. Not as detailed as the big book, but I'm on a budget.

I also buy the Draft Preview issue of USA Today's Sports Weekly. It uses NFLDraftScout for its info and rankings. Although obviously not as detailed as its website, NFLDraftScout.com, it's a lot less expensive. Besides USAToday.com, FoxSports.com and NFL.com are using NFLDraftScout's rankings.

I also agree with Teal re: Street and Smith.

Lindy's has The Best regular season preview magazine; I was not as impressed, however, with its Draft Preview mag. There were no player rankings, either overall or by position.

In a couple of weeks, I will try to "Take a Free Tour" of espn's Insider for 30 days. The "Tour" includes 2 issues of espn mag; I don't believe their Draft Preview is one of them. I will have to use a different Username and Password than I did last year, and the year before that. If I'm unsuccessful, then I'll just pay the one-month charge.

***bevster*** · 03-28-2007, 10:30 AM

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When you buy any draft publications you are purchacing the opinion of the author or authors.

How many first round bust have there been? Answer: many! So, if one knowledgable scout has a different opinion of a player, I like to know it. It will take 3 years (or less in some cases) to see who is right or wrong.

I dare you to tell me which opinion of players is based in racism? Being s a racist is one of the worst things that a person can be. It is brutally stupid to imply that about anyone unless there is something to back it up.

Let's see it!!!!

I believe that you have misread my comments. I am not implying that anyone in the Sporting News is racist.

Generally speaking, racist views are "alternate opinions", as opposed to mainstream.

My post was attacked because I suggested that an opinion different to mine was "brutal". Someone responded to my post and suggested that it was perhaps unfair to characterize an opinion as "brutal" just because it was different than mine.

I think that racist opinions are "brutal" to say the least. I was just challenging the poster to suggest that racist opinions, for example, are not "brutal" opinions.

bakes781 · 03-28-2007, 10:33 AM

I have bought the Sporting News Draft Guide every year for the past 5 or so years. On the big board they do have Quinn rated below Kolb, but if you look at the mock draft they have Quinn selected 23rd & Kolb 48th overall. So there are multiple views given, but the individual player breakdowns are my favorite part.

***BelichickFan*** · 03-28-2007, 10:47 AM

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I think that racist opinions are "brutal" to say the least. I was just challenging the poster to suggest that racist opinions, for example, are not "brutal" opinions.

Put up or shut up with this stuff . . . give us a name of someone whose profile was racist, you don't have to type it in just the name is fine, and let us judge for ourselves.

***PATSNUTme*** · 03-28-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bevster

I believe that you have misread my comments. I am not implying that anyone in the Sporting News is racist.

Generally speaking, racist views are "alternate opinions", as opposed to mainstream.

My post was attacked because I suggested that an opinion different to mine was "brutal". Someone responded to my post and suggested that it was perhaps unfair to characterize an opinion as "brutal" just because it was different than mine.

I think that racist opinions are "brutal" to say the least. I was just challenging the poster to suggest that racist opinions, for example, are not "brutal" opinions.

That is a huge stretch. All of us were talking about the draft adn rating players in certain draft publications. He never said or implied that racist opinions were not brutal.

He was asserting that alternate opinions were not "brutal". He was referring to draft publications rating players and nothing else.

You were the one who brought in the "racist" opinions being brutal, which has noting at all to do with what this thread was about.

***bevster*** · 03-28-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PATSNUTme

That is a huge stretch. All of us were talking about the draft adn rating players in certain draft publications. He never said or implied that racist opinions were not brutal.

He was asserting that alternate opinions were not "brutal". He was referring to draft publications rating players and nothing else.

You were the one who brought in the "racist" opinions being brutal, which has noting at all to do with what this thread was about.

It may be a stretch, but my argument is still valid. IMO the Sporting News opinions were brutal. I am entitled to my opinion. BelichickFan can disagree. I merely suggested that IMO the player ratings in that publication were brutal. BelichickFan suggests that it is dubious for me to have that opinion.

Funny, I am being challenged on MY right to have a certain opinion on a draft publication. If BelichickFan thinks that I should be accepting of alternate opinions, then why is BelichickFan not accepting of my opinion that the ratings are "brutal".

IMO BelichickFan thinks that I am suggesting that a player profile is "racist". I do not know how that conclusion can be logically drawn. If my post was vague, then ask for clarification before chastizing my opinion about the Sporting News player ratings.

I have never suggested that any player rating is racist.

***BelichickFan*** · 03-28-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bevster

It may be a stretch, but my argument is still valid. IMO the Sporting News opinions were brutal. I am entitled to my opinion. BelichickFan can disagree. I merely suggested that IMO the player ratings in that publication were brutal.

You can have whatever opinion you like, I don't care. I started a thread two weeks ago for a little feedback on the situation :

Anyone have history with Russ Lande, GM Jr. ?

I just don't think you can say his opinions are "brutal" when we have no idea yet, and won't for a few years, who is right. They are certainly different in some cases.

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Originally Posted by bevster

IMO BelichickFan thinks that I am suggesting that a player profile is "racist". I do not know how that conclusion can be logically drawn. If my post was vague, then ask for clarification before chastizing my opinion about the Sporting News player ratings.

I have never suggested that any player rating is racist.

In your post about the Sporting News you wrote : "And for the record, there are some alternate opinions which are "brutal" ie: racism."

What else was I, or someone else, to think ?

***bevster*** · 03-28-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

You can have whatever opinion you like, I don't care. I started a thread two weeks ago for a little feedback on the situation :

Anyone have history with Russ Lande, GM Jr. ?

I just don't think you can say his opinions are "brutal" when we have no idea yet, and won't for a few years, who is right. They are certainly different in some cases.

In your post about the Sporting News you wrote : "And for the record, there are some alternate opinions which are "brutal" ie: racism."

What else was I, or someone else, to think ?

Apology accepted.