BelichickFan

While I agree with what you said, the more important part of it is that if the coaching staff liked Neal enough to give him a good money extension just a year ago, they must like him enough to not be looking to replace him. It's not the fact that he has a good contract that should keep us from replacing him, it's the fact that he was liked enough by the staff to get a good contract that should keep us from replacing him.

everlong

Thanks.

Ben Grubbs OL Grubbs (314 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 5.10. He also had a 4.78 short shuttle, 7.70 three-cone drill and 35 strength lifts. He worked out well in position drills.

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PonyExpress

IMO the strength of the Pats O-line is their interior 3. What is the difference between Grubbs, Blalock and Sears? if anything, Sears and Blalock seem like better options due to more versatility (the ability to play Tackle). Interesting note on Mankins: Mankins has the biggest hands of any Lineman I have read about in recent years, over 11 3/8". Size of hands indicates natural strength, and broad bone structure, which seems to translate better to football leverage than the manufactured weight room strength indicated by 225 repetitons.

dryheat44

You answered the question right after you asked it. The difference is on the playing field.

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PonyExpress

What do you think separates Grubbs from the other two?

everlong

Ben Grubbs 6'3" (314 pounds)
40: 5.10
4.78 short shuttle
7.70 three-cone drill


Mankins, Logan (OG) Fresno State 6'4" 307
40: 5.06
Short shuttle:4.45
3-Cone: 7.54

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PonyExpress

Interestingly (for me at least) of the top OG prospects, Manny Ramirez of TTech has the biggest hands at 10 5/8 and the most weight room strength. He played in the spread offense and is used to blocking in space. He looked gassed during Senior Bowl drills, so his stamina may be an issue, but hie more than held his own and his raw talent seems impressive.

SamBamsFan

He is interesting, but it is going to be quite a transition for him as TX Tech runs a unique offense. From scouts inc summary:

" Ramirez lacks great balance and he failed to show improvement in his technique as a senior. Furthermore, he will have a big adjustment to make as an NFL player coming from Texas Tech's spread offensive attack..."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...layer?id=11065

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sebman2112

BB usually drafts guys who rotate year one, and start one, or two years later.

If there didn't seem to be any of the top players left at S, CB, or LB I would probably take Ryan Kalil, Grubbs, or Justin Harrell.


Right now I would take any of these players, if they're available (players do slide people):

Willis (would trade into the 14-18 range for him)

Landry (would trade into the 14-18 range for him)

Carriker (If he slides to 24. I would not trade up for him.)

Timmons (I think Timmons could be an impact player, and good rotational OLB straight out of college, but he would be a two year project at ILB. Maybe he would replace Vrabel two years from now as the second versatile LB on the corp, with AD being the other).

Revis (For NE's system I can't see a better CB in the first round.)

Houston (Second best CB for NE's system. Can play very physical at times, and locks people down in man coverage, but can he develop at Zone? Personally I think they need to play more man/press coverage, anyways.)

Spencer (He can play 3-4 ILB, has good penetration, and plays with a mean streak.)

Meriweather (only at 28, but I would rather trade into the second for him. He can play FS, SS, and CB. If not for the question marks he would be a lock first rounder.)

Griffin (only at 28. I think Meriweather's playing style/ability fits NE's defense better, but Griffin doesn't have the "?".)


Maybe:
Siler or Harris or Posluszny at 28.


I don't want:
Marcus McCauley (I like his potential and what he did as a junior, but considering his benching, and lack of production as a senior I wouldn't touch him in the first. I do really like him though, and think he would fit NE's defense well.)

Greg Olsen (Yes he was outstanding at the combine, but as an actual player he was somewhat inconsistent, and is a horrid blocker.)
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Do you want Grubbs at Guard, or Tackle?

I also like John Wendling but I would draft him to play SS, and Meriweather, or Griffin at FS. I do not like Aaron Rouse at all.

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dryheat44

Just dominating whomever was lined up against him for the last two years. I think he's a couple notches above Blalock (whom I have questions about agility and ability to hit a moving target). Sears is tougher, because he is a projection.

I don't claim to have watched an extraordinary amount of NCAA football over the last decade, but the last guy I've seen dominate like Grubbs at the NCAA level was Orlando Pace. I don't think I've ever seen a guard bury guys with such regularity.

If Grubbs played tackle (and some scouts think he can), he'd be a top 10 pick.

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