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***Box_O_Rocks*** · 03-01-2007, 10:49 AM

Just for fun: two of these linebackers are in the 2007 draft, one was drafted in 2000 out of a fairly modest college program and has had a productive NFL career. Name that tune. Members of NFLDraftScout are excluded from playing.

6-5 250, 4.58/40, 2.66/30, 1.56/10, 26/225, 34 1/2"v, 10'2"b, 4.22ss, 6.89 3-c

6-4 254, 4.72/40, 2.71/20, 1.56/10, 28/225, 35 1/2"v, 9'4"b, 4.17ss, 7.29 3-c

6-4 258, 4.59/40, 2.70/20, 1.62/10, 27/225, 34"v, 10'2"b, 4.18ss, 6.94 3-c

AzPatsFan · 03-01-2007, 11:08 AM

One is Sean Urlacher; the others are Zak DeOssie and the third is probably the Georgia or Clemson DEs and possible OLb conversions.

As to which are which I suspect the slowest time belongs oto the Clemson/Georgia guess, and the other two are almost interchangeable, so it doesn't really matter...

Hows the guess?

PATRIOTS-80 · 03-01-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Just for fun: two of these linebackers are in the 2007 draft, one was drafted in 2000 out of a fairly modest college program and has had a productive NFL career. Name that tune. Members of NFLDraftScout are excluded from playing.

6-5 250, 4.58/40, 2.66/30, 1.56/10, 26/225, 34 1/2"v, 10'2"b, 4.22ss, 6.89 3-c

6-4 254, 4.72/40, 2.71/20, 1.56/10, 28/225, 35 1/2"v, 9'4"b, 4.17ss, 7.29 3-c

6-4 258, 4.59/40, 2.70/20, 1.62/10, 27/225, 34"v, 10'2"b, 4.18ss, 6.94 3-c

The first one is Zak, the second is Stew, the third one is Brian Urlacher(?).

SamBamsFan · 03-01-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Just for fun: two of these linebackers are in the 2007 draft, one was drafted in 2000 out of a fairly modest college program and has had a productive NFL career. Name that tune. Members of NFLDraftScout are excluded from playing.

6-5 250, 4.58/40, 2.66/30, 1.56/10, 26/225, 34 1/2"v, 10'2"b, 4.22ss, 6.89 3-c

6-4 254, 4.72/40, 2.71/20, 1.56/10, 28/225, 35 1/2"v, 9'4"b, 4.17ss, 7.29 3-c

6-4 258, 4.59/40, 2.70/20, 1.62/10, 27/225, 34"v, 10'2"b, 4.18ss, 6.94 3-c

I'm thinking:
1) Zak DeOssie
2) Stewart Bradley
3) Brian Urlacher

... though my #'s are a bit different, & I don't have the 10/20's.

everlong · 03-01-2007, 11:56 AM

I think the other guesses are correct.

What a bad first round 2000 was

1 Cleveland Courtney Brown DE Penn State Bust
2 Washington LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State Always was over-rated
3 Washington Chris Samuels T Alabama Solid
4 Cincinnati Peter Warrick WR Florida State Bust
5 Baltimore Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee Couple of great years, couple of awful years, but already done.
6 Philadelphia Corey Simon DT Florida State Talented, no heart
7 Arizona Thomas Jones RB Virginia Very good but not 7th pick good
8 Pittsburgh Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State Over-rated, no heart
9 Chicago Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico Obviously a star
10 Baltimore Travis Taylor WR Florida Fair player
11 N.Y. Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin Bust
12 N.Y. Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee Decent player
13 N.Y. Jets John Abraham DE South Carolina Over-rated, always hurt
14 Green Bay Bubba Franks TE Miami Decent
15 Denver Deltha O'Neal CB California Decent
16 San Francisco Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State Great
17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State LOL!
18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall Good, injury prone
19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama Great
20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma Who?
21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State Who?
22 Seattle Chris McIntosh OLB Wisconsin Who?
23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State Who?
24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State Good
25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College Couple of over hyped years
26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State Who?
27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia Good
28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young This was his best year
29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California Who
30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse Very good
31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona I thought he would be better than he has been.

***patchick*** · 03-01-2007, 12:04 PM

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What a bad first round 2000 was

Check out the top 10 from 2005:
1. San Francisco 49ers - Alex Smith, QB Utah
2. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown, RB Auburn
3. Cleveland Browns - Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan
4. Chicago Bears - Cedric Benson, RB Texas
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Carnell Williams, RB Auburn
6. Tennessee Titans - Adam Jones, CB West Virginia
7. Minnesota Vikings (from Oakland) - Troy Williamson, WR South Carolina
8. Arizona Cardinals - Antrel Rolle, CB Miami (Fla)
9. Washington Redskins - Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn
10. Detroit Lions - Mike Williams, WR USC

This is what I think about when people are soooo eager to trade somebody like Asante Samuel for draft picks.

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everlong · 03-01-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Check out the top 10 from 2005:
1. San Francisco 49ers - Alex Smith, QB Utah
2. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown, RB Auburn
3. Cleveland Browns - Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan
4. Chicago Bears - Cedric Benson, RB Texas
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Carnell Williams, RB Auburn
6. Tennessee Titans - Adam Jones, CB West Virginia
7. Minnesota Vikings (from Oakland) - Troy Williamson, WR South Carolina
8. Arizona Cardinals - Antrel Rolle, CB Miami (Fla)
9. Washington Redskins - Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn
10. Detroit Lions - Mike Williams, WR USC

This is what I think about when people are soooo eager to trade somebody like Asante Samuel for draft picks.

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But we have somebody who picks good groceries.

I know what you're saying.

The 2005 draft class still has time to turn it around, well maybe not Mike Williams and Pacman and all his street cred is a mess.

SamBamsFan · 03-01-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by everlong

I think the other guesses are correct.

What a bad first round 2000 was

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I googled a link to find out which pick we traded for BB that year & wound up in the 6th rd. Bulger, Rackers, Edinger, Adalius Thomas, Mike Anderson, Brady... might have been as strong as the 1st in terms of long term careers.

everlong · 03-01-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SamBamsFan

I googled a link to find out which pick we traded for BB that year & wound up in the 6th rd. Bulger, Rackers, Edinger, Adalius Thomas, Mike Anderson, Brady... might have been as strong as the 1st in terms of long term careers.

I browsed some of the other rounds and they were as good as the first. Just goes to show trading down into the second to pick up additional picks really is the best value at times.

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 03-01-2007, 09:50 PM

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The first one is Zak, the second is Stew, the third one is Brian Urlacher(?).

Yup.

With Texas DE/OLB Brian Robison in the draft, there are three really athletic 250+ lb LB candidates to be considered at the end of day one/start of day two.

What this draft does offer is two true LBs and a DE reported to have played some OLB at Texas.

Zak DeOssie: 6-5 250, 4.58/40, 2.66/30, 1.56/10, 26/225, 34 1/2"v, 10'2"b, 4.22ss, 6.89 3-c;
http://condraft.com/database/ivy-lea...sie/index.html *they have an annoying registration pop-up, just scroll down the page and click on "not right now" to clear the thing.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDet...g=80&player=93

Stewart Bradley: 6-4 254, 4.72/40, 2.71/20, 1.56/10, 28/225, 35 1/2"v, 9'4"b, 4.17ss, 7.29 3-c;
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/bradley_stewart
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDet...=463&player=34

Brian Robison: 6-3 259, 4.67/40, 2.65/20, 1.49/10, 27/225, 40 1/2"v, 10'1"b, 4.26ss, 6.89 3-c;
Excerpt from NFLDraftScout.com

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At Spledora High School, Robison was also a two-sport star, earning All-State honors in both football and track-and-field. A four-year starter at defensive tackle (freshman) and linebacker (final three years), he registered 66 tackles for losses and 28 sacks in his final three seasons. As a senior, he earned second-team All-State Class 3A and first-team All-District honors, registering 98 tackles, 20 stops behind the line of scrimmage, eight sacks and four pass deflections.

In 49 games at Texas, Robison started 36 times (three at inside linebacker, 33 at right end). He recorded 181 tackles (106 solos) with 15 sacks for minus-121 yards and 41 stops for losses totaling 171 yards. He added 57 quarterback pressures, a two-yard interception return and eight pass deflections. He caused four fumbles and recovered two others, advancing one recovery nine yards. He also blocked six kicks.

Is a quick study with the playbook and has a good feel for blocking schemes...Active with his hands, getting them up quickly coming out of his stance to get into the blocker's chest...Plays with awareness and has no problems locating the ball in a crowd, despite his lack of ideal height...Has good bend and sinks his pads well in attempt to avoid blocks working through trash...Effective at holding his ground vs. double teams due to his lower body power and strong anchor...Compensates for a lack of blazing speed by reading the play quickly to get into proper position to make the tackle (good at neutralizing the cutback lanes)...Has good swim and rip moves coming off the edge on the pass rush and uses his hands well to sidestep low blocks, keeping his balance when playing in space...Has great timing on his leaps and excels as a kick blocker on special teams...With his linebacker experience dropping back into pass coverage, he could provide value standing up in a 3-4 alignment...

Has natural strength, but needs to add upper body bulk, as his lack of ideal size hurts him at times when combating double teams (can stack when he keeps his hands active, but lacks consistency pushing the blocker back)...Susceptible to reach and cut blocks, as he lacks the long arms to keep blockers from engulfing him... Tends to lose leverage when taking a blocker head-on...Durability issues in 2006 limited his effectiveness (right knee and leg might need further medical evaluation).

Robison is a blue-collar type who lacks quick-twitch moves coming off the snap, is a bit undersized and needs to improve his upper body strength. Despite his size issues, he finds ways to get to the ball and has the lower body strength to hold his position at the point of attack. He excels as a kick blocker and plays with good discipline, as he always seems to be in position to make the play.