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[flutie2phelan]

Don't think i'd cross swords with such illuminati as have posted above.
Except that for a week i've been carrying around a slip of paper on which i've been sorting out my own shopping list.
I'll confine myself to ways in which i take a different slant.

1st, i don't think that we need help in the secondary. Current roster, overall, is impressive ...
and why spend draft picks to stock another team after cutdown?
Further, the Patriots have shown repeatedly that a merely adequate secondary ... behind a superior front seven ... suffices.

2nd, since i don't know more than a handful of the collegians, the most refined sort i'm willing to attempt
is Day1 / Day2.
Day1 picks should offer a probability of being able to contribute this year or next,
from what can be seen of them on film and confirmed in interviews.
Day2 picks can be development prospects or plain dicerolls.

3rd, while we begin with 4 Day1 picks, our best value accrues if we find someone to trade down with.
5 Day1s without a 1st-rounder ... beats 4 Day1s including a lower-half 1st-rounder.

4th, it is essential to remember that our yield will be limited. We must self-discipline and prioritize.

So, what do we want?
The 4 Day1s should get us:
TE
LB
WR, and
RB ... in any order.

The WR and/or RB should also provide us with either/or/and a KR/PR, "built-in".
If we manage to swap out of the 1st round and get an additional Day1 selection,
take a second RB or WR, who supplies whichever return skill is still lacking.

Day2 primarily allows for favorable trades, either up or out to next year.
With such Day2 picks as we actually use next weekend ... i'd like
first, both an OL
and DL
then another LB
and another RB or WR.

Be sure to grab a K in the 6th round.

Then i'll sleep well Sunday night.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Originally Posted by flutie2phelan

Don't think i'd cross swords with such illuminati as have posted above.
Except that for a week i've been carrying around a slip of paper on which i've been sorting out my own shopping list.
I'll confine myself to ways in which i take a different slant.

1st, i don't think that we need help in the secondary. Current roster, overall, is impressive ...
and why spend draft picks to stock another team after cutdown?
Further, the Patriots have shown repeatedly that a merely adequate secondary ... behind a superior front seven ... suffices.

2nd, since i don't know more than a handful of the collegians, the most refined sort i'm willing to attempt
is Day1 / Day2.
Day1 picks should offer a probability of being able to contribute this year or next,
from what can be seen of them on film and confirmed in interviews.
Day2 picks can be development prospects or plain dicerolls.

3rd, while we begin with 4 Day1 picks, our best value accrues if we find someone to trade down with.
5 Day1s without a 1st-rounder ... beats 4 Day1s including a lower-half 1st-rounder.

4th, it is essential to remember that our yield will be limited. We must self-discipline and prioritize.

So, what do we want?
The 4 Day1s should get us:
TE
LB
WR, and
RB ... in any order.

The WR and/or RB should also provide us with either/or/and a KR/PR, "built-in".
If we manage to swap out of the 1st round and get an additional Day1 selection,
take a second RB or WR, who supplies whichever return skill is still lacking.

Day2 primarily allows for favorable trades, either up or out to next year.
With such Day2 picks as we actually use next weekend ... i'd like
first, both an OL
and DL
then another LB
and another RB or WR.

Be sure to grab a K in the 6th round.

Then i'll sleep well Sunday night.

Illuminati my left FBN!

[AzPatsFan]

IMHO, we need a linebacker (preferably outside), which I had hoped would come from another team, rather than the draft. As rook has pointed out, we may now need three draft choices to move up to get a linebacker in the first. And we would still likely use another pick later. We now have Colvin, Alexander, Banta-Cain and Claridge as OLB's. Two more could easily make the squad. If there are no transactions before the draft, the one need will drive our entire draft strategy.

As rook further points out, the team is prepared to use the draft picks on this one position because the Management has done such a great job in building depth throughout the rest of the team (except at receiver).[/quote]


I think there is an OVERRATED panic to diagnose a need at WR.

Givens left. Givens was a #2. Caldwell came in.

Caldwell was a disapointment in SD as a #1, for the first two years after being drafted in the second round, and then played great in his third year until injury struck. Then he blew an ACL two years ago and played with it last year, but ACL injuries seldom fully recover in 1 year.

WRs usually take 3 years to produce and Reche Caldwell was right on that schedule prior to getting hurt. I'm not certain that we have not in fact substituted a #1 for a #2 WR, and already upgraded the position! And thats before taking Hass &/or Avant or both, in the third.

Other wise I agree with EVERYTHING else being said.

[AzPatsFan]

Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

1st round dictates most of my tactics, other then consensus top 10 players like Hawk, Davis, or Ngata, I only like Lawson and Winston in the first round, and if Lawson came off early I'd be looking to move down, hopefully picking up a 1st in 2007 and another 2nd.

I'm not that concerned that BB move picks into 2007 as some have suggested, NE has 7 picks already, with enough FA losses to be confident of 2 more compensatory picks. But an extra first next season wouldn't hurt if it kept you from reaching for a player at 21. If push comes to shove and Winston was also gone with no trade offer worth the return value, grab Klopfenstein or Colledge and enjoy the howls of offended fans (and before you ask, I'd spend 21 on a 3rd string TE and a #4 LT before Mangold, but I'm crazy that way ).

I have my shopping list:

OT - someone to push Britt for the swing tackle job.
OC/OG - Reserve/Practice Squad/2007 starter
CB - Nickelback/PR/KR/Practice Squad
RB - Practice Squad/PR/KR
LB - 2-3 DE/OLB for Special Teams and 3-4 development
STs - PR/KR, LB/SS
WR - possession receiver to complement Branch, PR/KR

which adds up to 11 picks give or take a couple. rook has done a breakdown showing no room for 11 draft picks in the 53, but I'm more liberal in my math; 53 + 8 + IR = draft flexibility. BB is currently thinner then normal at LB and already at Training Camp levels for DBs; does this mean he is going for more speed on Special Teams? Or, is there room to draft 2, 3, 4... LBs and get younger there? I think we have a starting front seven in the mix of DL/LB currently on the roster, with this fine crop of LBs, go ahead and use your 11 draft picks to create competition and diversify against risk. The same holds for CB, OL, and KR/PR, why wait to pick through the UDFA players for another Gay or Wright, or stockpile for next year when the Pats are already looking to have a draft hand similar to 2005's.

The one targeted player I have is Mike Hass, I still think he is the best complement to Deion in this draft and I would manuever to take him in the second. I believe Ochmed commented on his 3-cone which helps explain his ability to get open.

I love your quote.

"...The one targeted player I have is Mike Hass, I still think he is the best complement to Deion in this draft and I would manuever to take him in the second.... "

This is my feelings, precisely. Mike Hass is the kind of WR that will probably play for you for 10-15 years, and he will face competition every year from the latest hotshot, speedball, flyboy, looking to replace him ...and failing.

Everything I saw at the combine, and everything I read of his background and personality, leads me to believe he will be one of those Steve Largent,
Wayne Chrebet, Raymond Berry, and yes Fred Biletnikoff type WRs who can't do a damn thing; except get open, catch the ball, and move the chains. (And win the Fred Biletnikoff Trophy as the best and certainly most prolific WR in Div 1A college.)

You just don't pile up over 4000 yards receiving in college any other way, especially after being an unrecruited walk-on, and then having to earn a scholarship through your college production. The man is driven to succeed.
Smart, with great character and a Team captain. A football player who PRODUCES, but not a Bobby Grier athletic phenomenon. Doesn't that sound like a familiar BB/SP Patriot player to you?

[shirtsleeve]

Originally Posted by flutie2phelan

Don't think i'd cross swords with such illuminati as have posted above.
Except that for a week i've been carrying around a slip of paper on which i've been sorting out my own shopping list.
I'll confine myself to ways in which i take a different slant.

Wow! And I thought I was a suck up! I am hereby humbled in your presence!

1st, i don't think that we need help in the secondary. Current roster, overall, is impressive ...
and why spend draft picks to stock another team after cutdown?

I have to humbly disagree here. True the paper talent for DB's is more than adequate. But these guys have proven themselves far too fragile for my liking. Whether they are being asked to do things that their diminutive bodies cannot withstand, or that there is a problem with strength and conditioning, or these individuals have these frailties, I dont know. Perhaps its a combination. But the reality is that twelve is not a number I want to use to describe the number of different starters we had last year at DB.
Further, the Patriots have shown repeatedly that a merely adequate secondary ... behind a superior front seven ... suffices.

2nd, since i don't know more than a handful of the collegians, the most refined sort i'm willing to attempt
is Day1 / Day2.
Day1 picks should offer a probability of being able to contribute this year or next,
from what can be seen of them on film and confirmed in interviews.
Day2 picks can be development prospects or plain dicerolls.

3rd, while we begin with 4 Day1 picks, our best value accrues if we find someone to trade down with.
5 Day1s without a 1st-rounder ... beats 4 Day1s including a lower-half 1st-rounder.

Agreed.

4th, it is essential to remember that our yield will be limited. We must self-discipline and prioritize.

So, what do we want?
The 4 Day1s should get us:
TE
LB
WR, and
RB ... in any order.

The WR and/or RB should also provide us with either/or/and a KR/PR, "built-in".
If we manage to swap out of the 1st round and get an additional Day1 selection,
take a second RB or WR, who supplies whichever return skill is still lacking.

Here again, I disagree. There seem to be few every down backs of high value within our grasp. At this pos, we should be patient and wait till next year. It promises to be better at RB. There also seems to be a lack of quality WR that fit your requirements to start this year or next. There may be one or two within our grasp who have some potential in the system.

Day2 primarily allows for favorable trades, either up or out to next year.
With such Day2 picks as we actually use next weekend ... i'd like
first, both an OL
and DL
then another LB
and another RB or WR.

Funny your day two is what I'm hoping for on Day 1, with the RB to come late 3 (or early 4) with KR/PR duties. And a couple of DB's sprinkled in.

Id also like to see the kicker in the 6th.

Be sure to grab a K in the 6th round.

Then i'll sleep well Sunday night.

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[Box_O_Rocks]

Originally Posted by AzPatsFan

I love your quote.

"...The one targeted player I have is Mike Hass, I still think he is the best complement to Deion in this draft and I would manuever to take him in the second.... "

This is my feelings, precisely. Mike Hass is the kind of WR that will probably play for you for 10-15 years, and he will face competition every year from the latest hotshot, speedball, flyboy, looking to replace him ...and failing.

Everything I saw at the combine, and everything I read of his background and personality, leads me to believe he will be one of those Steve Largent,
Wayne Chrebet, Raymond Berry, and yes Fred Biletnikoff type WRs who can't do a damn thing; except get open, catch the ball, and move the chains. (And win the Fred Biletnikoff Trophy as the best and certainly most prolific WR in Div 1A college.)

You just don't pile up over 4000 yards receiving in college any other way, especially after being an unrecruited walk-on, and then having to earn a scholarship through your college production. The man is driven to succeed.
Smart, with great character and a Team captain. A football player who PRODUCES, but not a Bobby Grier athletic phenomenon. Doesn't that sound like a familiar BB/SP Patriot player to you?

Out of all the hotshot WRs in the All-Star games, he was the one of two who cranked out a 100+ yard game, the other was Brandon Marshall in the Hula Bowl, that is why they are my 1 and 2.

[AzPatsFan]

Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Out of all the hotshot WRs in the All-Star games, he was the one of two who cranked out a 100+ yard game, the other was Brandon Marshall in the Hula Bowl, that is why they are my 1 and 2.

BOR,

You mentioned in a post that Ochmed had a 3-cone report on Hass. My search didn't find it. Do you recall what it was.

I did not know that Hass had piled up 100+ yards in a postseason All Star game. Which one was it?

Ochmed?

[Box_O_Rocks]

Originally Posted by AzPatsFan

BOR,

You mentioned in a post that Ochmed had a 3-cone report on Hass. My search didn't find it. Do you recall what it was.

I did not know that Hass had piled up 100+ yards in a postseason All Star game. Which one was it?

Ochmed?

NFL.com Proday results...6.52 3-cone.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/in...workouts#orest

East-West Shrine Game (same place Mankins played last year).

http://www.shrinegame.com/pdf/East-W...game_stats.pdf

RECEIVING: West Shrine Team-Hass, M 4-107; Day, T 3-11; Carter, J 2-85; Webb, j 2-22; Harris, G 2-13; Watkins, T 1-46; Thomas, D 1-20; Ross, C 1-18; Moore, D 1-6. East Shrine Team-Washington, L 6-26; Colston, M 5-82; Jennings, G 3-66; Williams, B 2-26; Wallace, C 1-66; Fantuz, A 1-11; Gradkowski, B 1-11.

He also caught the go ahead TD that won the game.

[Flying Fungi]

bump......

[shirtsleeve]

Bump, again.