shirtsleeve

With all of the noise everyone here is making about #21, how would you feel if the team traded out of the first round? I personally would be thrilled.

Box_O_Rocks

Dang! I'm glad you clarified that, Down has been one of our best and I'd hate to lose someone like him.

Trading down has been wildly popular with many looking greedily at the talent pool in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.

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BelichickFan

I think we'd all love to but it may be tough going to find a partner. Possibly the Jets or Colts if they want to move up for one of the RB but it's unlikely at best.

IcyPatriot

If you have a team of starters in a draft with enough UPSIDE players then by all means trade down is the way to go.

However, and i suspected this last year and I hope i am wrong...how many teams are willing to trade with us??? Belichick moved around very little last year and that was puzzling...I don't think any teams trust us enough anymore...can you blame them???

shirtsleeve

Hmm..you might be right there. But there just doesn't seem to be the value to make one go wow in the bottom of the first.
REAL First Round talent, ya know, possible probowlers as rookies:
WR? MAYBE two total, maybe none
RB? 1
OL 1
DL 1, maybe 2
QB 3, but we dont need a starter
LB 1
DB 1
TE 1

Thats 12, counting high. Everyone else looks like second rounders to me. I'd hate to see the Pats pay first round money for second round talent.

shirtsleeve

Yeah, Touch and First are a couple of my favorite offensive players, and Fourth is my favorite defensive one!

ctpatsfan77

Dan Shanoff of the Daily Quickie summed it up last off-season, when he basically asked why any GM in his right mind would ever trade with the Pats; the de facto assumption has to be that the Pats think they'll come out ahead on any trade they make.

I for one think that if the Pats trade down, they won't trade back up (e.g., 21 -> 29 -> 26), either because they'll feel they don't need to, or no one else will let them trade back up.

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spidey2559

I mentioned this scenario in one of the other posts...The Jets have the 2nd round(35) and 2 3rd rounders (71, 97). The Pats trading no. 1 for their #2 and most likely their latter 3rd round pick, it's a win-win for both sides.

Jets get 3 first rounders and 4 picks in the first 70 selections. Mangini and Tannebaum gets a boost in the media poll and keeps NY fans quiet until their first loss of the season.

Patriots get 2 2nd's(35, 52) 3 3rd's(75, 86, 97). 5 quality picks within the first 100 selections. All without the 1st round salary tag price. Let's say that only two out of the 5 selections make out to be solid starters....that's two more starters for the future than we have now.

It could be a lose-lose if...

The 3 first rounders for the Jets are as bad or worse than when the Jets drafted Fergurson. Their already salary cap hell got a whole lot worse with 3 first round salary price tags on their payroll..

It's really hard to see a lose situation for the Pats, no matter how you slice it. What really is the difference from the 21st pick compared to the 35th?? I guess we'll see....

OhExaulted1

[QUOTE=spidey2559]
Patriots get 2 2nd's(35, 52) 3 3rd's(75, 86, 97). 5 quality picks within the first 100 selections. All without the 1st round salary tag price. Let's say that only two out of the 5 selections make out to be solid starters....that's two more starters for the future than we have now.[QUOTE]

Pick #97 is a Comp pick, and therefore untradeable.

I suppose it would be plausible for them to swap 21 & 29 with a 4th this year and next thrown in. Something like that.

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft...valuechart.asp

spidey2559

[QUOTE=OhExaulted1][QUOTE=spidey2559]
Patriots get 2 2nd's(35, 52) 3 3rd's(75, 86, 97). 5 quality picks within the first 100 selections. All without the 1st round salary tag price. Let's say that only two out of the 5 selections make out to be solid starters....that's two more starters for the future than we have now.Point well taken, oh, exaulted one. ;-) Ok, so that scenario wouldn't work. And I don't see the Jets giving up a high third and second...

The philosophy in my thinking is simply to get out of the 1st round and all of the financial and fanatical implications that goes with it.

This year, as estimated by Kiper, is a year full of second-tier players....all the way up to the 4th round. This season favors a Pioli-Belichik philosophy of bargain rather than the elite-blue chip approach.

I simply don't see that much of a drop off from the 1st to the second round...