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Old 03-19-2006, 12:15 PM   #1
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The value of the 5th year is something that the patriots understand well. I think we will consider trading up in order to have two five year players.

Consider how great it is to look at 2009 next to Hobbs, Mankins, Kaycur, Wilfork and Watson.
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Old 03-19-2006, 01:54 PM   #2
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What players would you suggest we pick? And what moves would be necessary to trade up into the 1st round? A second and a third/fourth? Doesn't seem worth it to me.
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The value of the 5th year is something that the patriots understand well. I think we will consider trading up in order to have two five year players.

Consider how great it is to look at 2009 next to Hobbs, Mankins, Kaycur, Wilfork and Watson.
Interesting point...the conventional wisdom calls this a year where roughly #16-72 is a strong, even plateau. Which has led lots of people to suggest trading down to collect an extra player within that plateau. Assuming roughly equal quality, would you really rather have 2 players for 5 years than 3 players for 4 years?

I do agree, though, that contract length makes a compelling argument for, e.g., #32 being worth significantly more in trade than #33.
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What players would you suggest we pick? And what moves would be necessary to trade up into the 1st round? A second and a third/fourth? Doesn't seem worth it to me.
keep 21, draft deangelo williams, trade for one of the broncos picks, draft antonio cromartie i can dream man!
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AJ Hawk might be someone to trade up for. He'd shore up one of
our lb positions. Can probably play inside or out. Good blitzer from
wherever he lines up. Hate to give up what it would take though.
Too many holes to fill.
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I'd like to keep our 21 and trade some of this years picks on next years to get a low second round to go with our 53 or 52, whatever it is. Use the two 3rd round picks. that's 5 picks in the first 110 or so. Nice! Lotta teams got more than they can use. Us too. 10+ too many picks....
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The value of the 5th year is something that the patriots understand well. I think we will consider trading up in order to have two five year players.

Consider how great it is to look at 2009 next to Hobbs, Mankins, Kaycur, Wilfork and Watson.
Would not surprise me at all...except Belichick loves those 2nd round picks. But i could see him doing it near the bottom of the 1st to steal a 2nd round pick away from someone who would beat him to it otherwise...one of the weaker teams who need all the help they can get.
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Interesting point...the conventional wisdom calls this a year where roughly #16-72 is a strong, even plateau. Which has led lots of people to suggest trading down to collect an extra player within that plateau. Assuming roughly equal quality, would you really rather have 2 players for 5 years than 3 players for 4 years?

I do agree, though, that contract length makes a compelling argument for, e.g., #32 being worth significantly more in trade than #33.
I had considered mg's theory once they announced the signing restrictions for draftees and reached the same conclusion you discuss.
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Interesting point...the conventional wisdom calls this a year where roughly #16-72 is a strong, even plateau. Which has led lots of people to suggest trading down to collect an extra player within that plateau. Assuming roughly equal quality, would you really rather have 2 players for 5 years than 3 players for 4 years?
I don't see why people are thinking the players between #16-72 are an even plateau. Consider the positions we'll most likely be looking at - LB (OLB probably, with DE/OLB tweeners getting a keen look), RB, and WR.

At RB, in the late first round will likely be Maroney, Williams, Lendell White, and Addai, with likely one of the four slipping into the second round - perhaps two, depending on team priorities. After those 4 - are you saying that the RBs going all the way back to pick #72 are of the same caliber as those 4? (who will be taken most likely between #16 and 36 or so)

Take OLB. Guys like Manny Lawson, Bobby Carpenter, Chad Greenway, and Ernie Sims will most likely all be late first round picks (#16-#32). Do you think there's no dropoff after them to the guys that will be picked in round 2?

How about WR? In the late first will likely be Chad Jackson and Santonio Holmes, who IMO are clearly considerably better than the second round WRs.

So, where is this view coming from that the players in the second round are as good as those in the late first?

I'd personally much rather have maybe Manny Lawson and DeAngelo Williams, than three or four 2nd rounders - as there seems to be a substantial dropoff.
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Interesting point...the conventional wisdom calls this a year where roughly #16-72 is a strong, even plateau. Which has led lots of people to suggest trading down to collect an extra player within that plateau. Assuming roughly equal quality, would you really rather have 2 players for 5 years than 3 players for 4 years?

I do agree, though, that contract length makes a compelling argument for, e.g., #32 being worth significantly more in trade than #33.
I was wondering the same and also what impact the new restrictions would have on the jr's?
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