10/28 Kiper big board and positional rankings

[mayoclinic]

Mel Kiper's latest big board is out, as well as positional rankings (top 5 at each position for seniors and for juniors):

Mel Kiper's Big Board -- The top 25 NFL prospects - ESPN
Mel Kiper's Top 5 senior NFL prospects at each position - ESPN
Mel Kiper's Top 5 junior NFL prospects at each position - ESPN

Kiper current has Jason Pierre-Paul at #13, Everson Griffen at #14, and Rolando McClain at #15. Greg Hardy is at #21, Brandon Spikes at #24, Jerry Hughes at #21 and Sergio Kindle at #25.

The Junior DE class is pretty loaded. Kiper currently has them ranked:

1. Carlos Dunlap, Florida. 6'6" 290#
2. Jason Pierre-Paul, USF. 6'6" 265#
3. Everson Griffen, USC. 6'3", 280#.
4. Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech. 6'4", 275#.
5. Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh. 6'6", 270#.

And that doesn't even include junior DE Jeremy Beals from Oklahoma (6'3", 260#), who's been tearing up the Big 12 this season.

[coltsfan]

I'm curious how he ranks the DTs. Lots of good Juniors for the Colts to look at, Marvin Austin, Brian Price, etc.

Hopefully you don't end up with someone like Eric Norwood, he's a stud.

[mayoclinic]

Originally Posted by coltsfan

I'm curious how he ranks the DTs. Lots of good Juniors for the Colts to look at, Marvin Austin, Brian Price, etc.

Hopefully you don't end up with someone like Eric Norwood, he's a stud.

Kiper rates the DTs as follows:

Seniors

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Terrance Cody
3. Jared Odrick
4. Arthur Jones
5. Vince Oghobasse

Juniors

1. Gerald McCoy
2. Brian Price
3. Marvin Austin
4. Jarvis Jenkins
5. Phil Taylor

Hope that helps.

Eric Norwood's a nice player. I've been touting him for over a year. He got a lot of press early this season so I've been focusing on other players, but he's certainly someone for us to look at. I personally think he projects more to SILB than to 3-4 OLB in our system, but he's an Adalius Thomas kind of guy who could move around and play a number of different positions (SILB, 4-3 SAM, 3-4 OLB, possibly even some DE). He's very strong, sheds blockers well, and has a nose for the ball.

[FreeTedWilliams]

Suh is not going to last past pick #3, he is an absolutle beast and with more and more teams moving to the 3-4, I can't see him dropping lower than #3.

The DT ranks should go:

1. Suh
2. Mt. Cody

and then everyone else,

Far be it for me to every doubt a player from the Cuse', Jones is good, but he is not in the other 2s league.

[mayoclinic]

Originally Posted by FreeTedWilliams

Suh is not going to last past pick #3, he is an absolutle beast and with more and more teams moving to the 3-4, I can't see him dropping lower than #3.

The DT ranks should go:

1. Suh
2. Mt. Cody

and then everyone else,

Far be it for me to every doubt a player from the Cuse', Jones is good, but he is not in the other 2s league.

No, but Gerald McCoy is. Realistically it will go:

1. Suh
1a. McCoy
3. Mt. Cody

Those 3 guys should go top 15, the first 2 top 10 and possibly both top 5. Then a considerable drop off to Arthur Jones and Jared Odrick.

[Ochmed Jones]

Originally Posted by mayoclinic

No, but Gerald McCoy is. Realistically it will go:

1. Suh
1a. McCoy
3. Mt. Cody

Those 3 guys should go top 15, the first 2 top 10 and possibly both top 5. Then a considerable drop off to Arthur Jones and Jared Odrick.

What ranking the players are, is irrelevant. How each player fits into your scheme is the true game.

McCoy is a decent 4-3 DT, but would be terrible as a 3-4 NT.

Mount Cody is the best 3-4 NT to come out of college in a long long time, but his lack of pass rushing skills means he probably would only work well in a 4-3 defense, if he had a great pass rushing undertackle as the other DT, similar to what the Vikings do with the Williams.

Oghobasse could be a true hybrid. He would work well in the 4-3 as a DT but might have more upside as a 3-4 DE, depending on how he runs and how strong he is.

I expect BB to take a D lIne player fairly high in this next draft.

[coltsfan]

Originally Posted by mayoclinic

Kiper rates the DTs as follows:

Seniors

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Terrance Cody
3. Jared Odrick
4. Arthur Jones
5. Vince Oghobasse

Juniors

1. Gerald McCoy
2. Brian Price
3. Marvin Austin
4. Jarvis Jenkins
5. Phil Taylor

Hope that helps.

Eric Norwood's a nice player. I've been touting him for over a year. He got a lot of press early this season so I've been focusing on other players, but he's certainly someone for us to look at. I personally think he projects more to SILB than to 3-4 OLB in our system, but he's an Adalius Thomas kind of guy who could move around and play a number of different positions (SILB, 4-3 SAM, 3-4 OLB, possibly even some DE). He's very strong, sheds blockers well, and has a nose for the ball.

I guess I need to find a way to watch Jarvis Jenkins, as I'm pretty familiar with the other Juniors. I take it that Jenkins would be a late 2nd round type?

I thought you guys were playing more 4-3 than 3-4 this year? You certainly did against Denver.

[coltsfan]

Originally Posted by FreeTedWilliams

Suh is not going to last past pick #3, he is an absolutle beast and with more and more teams moving to the 3-4, I can't see him dropping lower than #3.

The DT ranks should go:

1. Suh
2. Mt. Cody

and then everyone else,

Far be it for me to every doubt a player from the Cuse', Jones is good, but he is not in the other 2s league.

What can you guys tell me about Jones? I've never seen him. Could he play in a scheme like the Colts', or is he more of a 3-4 DE type? How would yall compare him to Odrick?

[coltsfan]

Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones

What ranking the players are, is irrelevant. How each player fits into your scheme is the true game.

McCoy is a decent 4-3 DT, but would be terrible as a 3-4 NT.

Mount Cody is the best 3-4 NT to come out of college in a long long time, but his lack of pass rushing skills means he probably would only work well in a 4-3 defense, if he had a great pass rushing undertackle as the other DT, similar to what the Vikings do with the Williams.

Oghobasse could be a true hybrid. He would work well in the 4-3 as a DT but might have more upside as a 3-4 DE, depending on how he runs and how strong he is.

I expect BB to take a D lIne player fairly high in this next draft.

I could tell you this, the Colts would take McCoy if they had the #1 pick in the draft. You couldn't take more than a 3 step drop against the Colts if we finally had a dominant player like that lined up next to Freeney or Mathis. So yeah, it depends on the scheme all the way, bc both he and Suh are great players.

[FreeTedWilliams]

Originally Posted by coltsfan

What can you guys tell me about Jones? I've never seen him. Could he play in a scheme like the Colts', or is he more of a 3-4 DE type? How would yall compare him to Odrick?

He's no Dwight Freeney if that is what you are asking. Jones is a very good player on a bad team. He plays DE at Syracuse but they move him around to try and mess up the other teams blocking schemes (becuase basically he is the only guy you have to block). He is 6'3" 290ish, he lives in the offensive backfield, would be an outstanding 4-3 inside tackle, he would be an excellent DE in a 3-4 defense (although he lacks the height that BB likes in that position). His 40 times will be about 5 flat. He will most likely get drafted in last third of the first round.

Of course, if your Indy, and every Syracuse player you ever drafted, ends up in the HOF, I'd take a shot at him.