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Old 04-02-2009, 04:20 PM   #1
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Default A Defensive End at 23 or 34 or earlier

Seymour is in his contract year.
Green is in his contract year.
For other than top 10 studs, it usually takes a season to develop a 3-4 DE or LB.
There aren't a lot of 3-4 ends who project to be pro 3-4 ends (rather than OLB's)
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I think that we will consider Jackson, Hood and Gilbert. I think that none will be available after 34. We may need to move up or use our 23, depending on who we really want.

While I can certainly agree with drafting a RT if Britton is there, DE is who I expect us to draft at 23 (or 34 at the latest).
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:31 PM   #2
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Seymour is in his contract year.
Green is in his contract year.
For other than top 10 studs, it usually takes a season to develop a 3-4 DE or LB.
There aren't a lot of 3-4 ends who project to be pro 3-4 ends (rather than OLB's)
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I think that we will consider Jackson, Hood and Gilbert. I think that none will be available after 34. We may need to move up or use our 23, depending on who we really want.

While I can certainly agree with drafting a RT if Britton is there, DE is who I expect us to draft at 23 (or 34 at the latest).
If you change DE to DL and include BJ Raji, I'm all for it. Maybe his drug test will push him down to within reach.

I have no problem with a DE before 23 if there were a DE worth taking before 23. There's not.
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1) Do you really have Raji moving to DE? In any case, he would be a backup for the patriots. I could include him. He won't be available at 23.

2) We will see if Jackson and Hood are available at 23. I think that the issue is Belichick's evaluation of the three (including Gilbert). Perhaps he agrees with your evaluation, perhaps with mine. In any case, if all three are acceptable, then I expect to see us drafting a DE at 23.

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If you change DE to DL and include BJ Raji, I'm all for it. Maybe his drug test will push him down to within reach.

I have no problem with a DE before 23 if there were a DE worth taking before 23. There's not.

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If we do take a DL that high then LeKevin Smith will be cut. I was all for taking a DL that high until they resigned Wright.

My guess is that no DL will be taken day 1 as there is just no room on the roster.
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I think that we will consider Jackson, Hood and Gilbert.
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I think that none will be available after 34. We may need to move up or use our 23, depending on who we really want.
So, IMO, they won't end up drafting one. None are really worth 23 let alone trading up. As worthwile "developmetal" talent is available later in the draft. It would be a collosal waste of resources, in my opinion.

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While I can certainly agree with drafting a RT if Britton is there, DE is who I expect us to draft at 23 (or 34 at the latest).
I would rather see Pat White drafted at 23 then any of the four you mentioned.
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If we do take a DL that high then LeKevin Smith will be cut. I was all for taking a DL that high until they resigned Wright.

My guess is that no DL will be taken day 1 as there is just no room on the roster.
I agree with this and might take it a little further. I think they will feel out the Seymour and Wilfork situation and might make a move in next years draft for a guy like Carlos Dunlap (who I think would be perfect for our 3-4) or big DT's like Ndamukong Suh or Cody. I think our pressing need right now for 2009 is OLB and S then for 2010 I think OL and DL would be the pressing need. We already have a pretty good team with the draft providing great depth and competition and if we are lucky a potential starter. I personally like Gilbert if he slipped to 47 or Brace if he was around at 58. I think Ziggy Hood would be good but at DE BB like more height like Dunlap would bring next year
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1) Do you really have Raji moving to DE? In any case, he would be a backup for the patriots. I could include him. He won't be available at 23.
How did Wilfork fall to us at 24 (I believe it was 24)? I know he fell, but to fall that much, was there any legitimate reason?

If the pats like Raji, and he's there around 12, I could see them trading up to get him.
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How did Wilfork fall to us at 24 (I believe it was 24)? I know he fell, but to fall that much, was there any legitimate reason?

If the pats like Raji, and he's there around 12, I could see them trading up to get him.
It was pick 21.
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Seymour is in his contract year.
Green is in his contract year.
For other than top 10 studs, it usually takes a season to develop a 3-4 DE or LB.
There aren't a lot of 3-4 ends who project to be pro 3-4 ends (rather than OLB's)
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I think that we will consider Jackson, Hood and Gilbert. I think that none will be available after 34. We may need to move up or use our 23, depending on who we really want.

While I can certainly agree with drafting a RT if Britton is there, DE is who I expect us to draft at 23 (or 34 at the latest).
Green had a pretty miserable year last season. I think he needs a big year to earn another contract.

I still think BB has later round options at DE in this draft, but the 2010 draft has a couple of monster DL guys that could be #1 picks. Would they last until #32? Not sure about that.
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Green had a pretty miserable year last season. I think he needs a big year to earn another contract.

I still think BB has later round options at DE in this draft, but the 2010 draft has a couple of monster DL guys that could be #1 picks. Would they last until #32? Not sure about that.
I totally agree on Green.

What about looking at the DT side of things and if we draft a guy like Terrance Taylor, Michigan who was once though of as a first round guy but to say the least he can be had in the 5th round kinda the poor mans Raja??
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