BradyManny

I have scribbled somewhere some notes on a couple late round NTs noted as potential 3-4 DEs. I can't recall them OTOH to be honest, but that's about it for 3-4 DEs in this draft that are good Pats fits. I like Tyson Jackson alright, but I trust this board when it comes to scouting, and take note of the lack of enthusiasm here for him.

I agree - let's get a two-down run stuffer NT backup behind Wilfork, (Sammie Lee Hill or Ron Brace depending upon the round) and worry about DE in 2010 when the class is much stronger for it.

BradyManny

Maybe I'd agree if the draft were deeper at the position.

Even still, I think the Patriots do not draft planning ahead in this type of situation. They didn't draft replacements for Asante, Willie Mac, Colvin, Givens/Branch a year ahead. Spending a Day 1 pick on a player that might be rendered redundant if a more experienced veteran is re-signed is not something the Pats do.

captain stone

Can any of these guys play OLB?

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ayjackson

I think at #34 or 47, you either trade the pick forward for a number 1 next year or you take a DE - Gilbert, Hood, Fioli. Either way you're addressing the 2010 potential need. Trading into next year's first round gives you added leverage to get a guy that can come in and start as a rookie, if Seymour departs.

bakes781

That's easier said than done IMO. Who did you have in mind?

Again I think DE's that fit our system are plentiful compared to finding "the NT backup to Wilfork". Ron Brace is the only day one prospect that comes to mind.

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I think that Marquise Hill was drafted at least in part because of the Seymour contract situation. I know Seymour's contract wasn't up until 2006, but drafting Hill in the 2nd round very likely was a hedge against the Seymour negotiations going south.

I also think that replacing Green and Seymour are two entirely different situations. Seymour's replacement would almost certainly be a DT in college and be comfortable playing at 300+ lbs. Moala would be a consideration and I like Dorell Scott as a later (3rd-4th) selection.

You could replace Green with a lighter DT or even a larger DE. Includes players like Gilbert and I like Kyle Moore as a later (4th) pick. Doesn't mean they are pass rush specialists. Just means that the DE's for the Pats are expected to eat up blockers (hopefully multiple on any given play). Traditional college tackles are better suited for doing that without breaking down.

With the number of picks available to the Pats, I wouldn't be surprised to see potential replacements for both Green and Seymour taken in this draft...though I think the talent in this draft class would be more "potential" than finished product.

BradyManny

Brace & Sammie Lee Hill, and like DE, there are some late round NT that were of interest when reading various reports, but the names are alluding me at this point. Even a guy who has fallen off the planet like Terrance Taylor has a shot as a reserve run plugger.

IMO, either Brace or Hill seems like better value than any DE prospect I can think of. Finding a backup run plugger in the 3-4 might not be an easy task, but in this specific draft, it looks easier than finding a 5-technique DE to replace Seymour.

BradyManny

But when I hear potential replacement for Seymour, I think it has to be a Round 1 player. It has to be a DE with elite potential, and the only guy who would fit the 3-4 and fit that mold is Jackson, and the reviews are mixed on him. 2010 will have some of those guys, it seems.

But I'll buy that we could add depth behind Seymour, and a less pricey insurance policy - the Marquise Hill comparison seems on point.

BPF

Why would the Pats trade #34 into next year in a deep draft? #34 is like a late 1st Rd pick at about $1 mil per season. I could see them doing that with either 47 or 58 and much more likely a later pick in Rds 4-6. My thinking is that the Pats will use their plethora of picks this year to move up and down the draft board to get their targeted players.

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ayjackson

I don't know if he has to be Seymour quality. With Warren and Wilfork on the line, and an improving LB corps (especially if we can get a downhill thumper silb), having a Spears quality DE would probably work well. Someone solid at the point of attack, a run-defender first.