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Old 02-26-2009, 10:04 AM   #1
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patchick and mayclinic experessed some surprise over absences on the Sports Illustrated Risers/Fallers list Tony Pauline put out. This is our opportunity to post our own list(s) of players who helped themsleves with their performances at the Combine. Please take a moment to tell us if you personally consider them a mover, e.g. you rated them as a fourth round player and now consider them a third or sixth round player (why would be nice too), or if you think the prospect impressed the NFL/draftnik community as a whole, e.g.:
-- Kansas' Ian Campbell moved up from 7/UDFA into the round 5/6 range after displaying more athleticism than some might have thought.

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"No patty-fingers, if you please. The proprieties at all times. Hold on to your hats."

Anyways....Josh Freeman is not a 1st Day QB. He's a physical specimen but he's light years away. I don't care how tall, fast or strong he is. He had a dismal year and was inaccurate as all heck. That said, I figure the jets will take him at #17.
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TEs Dan Gronkowski and Anthony Hill proved that while they were primarily blocking TEs in college, they have very good athleticism and skills in the passing game. 6th round grades from me.

RB Andre Brown shows better athleticism than many RBs 40 lbs lighter. Solid 5th round prospect.

Agree on Campbell.
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Risers:

Connor Barwin (late 2nd to high 2nd)
Chip Vaughn (late 3rd to high 3rd)
Darrius Heyward-Bey (high 2nd to late 1st)
Clay Matthews (high 2nd to late 1st)
Pat White(mid 4th to high 3rd)

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Malcolm Jenkins (high 1st to mid 1st)
Andre Smith (high 1st to mid 1st)
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Risers:

Connor Barwin (late 2nd to high 2nd)
Chip Vaughn (late 3rd to high 3rd)
Darrius Heyward-Bey (high 2nd to late 1st)
Clay Matthews (high 2nd to late 1st)
Pat White(mid 4th to high 3rd)

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Malcolm Jenkins (high 1st to mid 1st)
Andre Smith (high 1st to mid 1st)
Looks like a solid list. I think Andre Smith may be in even bigger trouble than a mid-first ranking unless he can persuade teams that his attitude toward the combine was an aberration. In fact, I'd say William Beatty might have moved ahead of him as an LT candidate.

OT Lydon Murtha recorded such an incredible workout that a lot of teams must be taking a second look at his film right now. He had a reputation for being smart and strong but not especially quick and athletic...but he also had a string of injuries slowing him down. Here's a comparison: you know how a lot of people were saying that Jasper Brinkley showed up well and made himself some money? Well Murtha put up practically sthe same numbers as Brinkley -- at 6'7" 306 lbs.
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Risers:

- Pat White, QB.

- Andre Brown, RB: Good size/speed.

- Donald Brown, RB: Looked very good.

- Ian Johnson, RB: More athletic than anticipated.

- Darius Heyward-Bey, WR. Obvious.

- Brian Robiskie, WR. Looked fluid and smooth. 2nd-3rd round.

- Deon Butler, WR.

- Johnny Knox, WR.

- Jason Smith, OT: Obvious.

- William Beatty OT: Obvious.

- Aaron Curry, LB. Obvious. On another level from the other LBs.

- Clay Matthews, LB. Looked better than his teammates in almost every facet. Good agility and good times in the shuttle and 3-cone.

- Connor Barwin, DE/OLB. Obvious. One of the best overall performances of the combine.

- Michael Johnson, DE/OLB. 6'7" 266# with 4.75 speed and good agility in the drills. Was better in space than I anticipated.

- Darius Butler, CB. Good speed, great vertical/long jump, good feet, looked smooth in drills. Will challenge Alphonso Smith and DJ Moore.

- Vontae Davis, CB: Benefitted mainly from Malcolm Jenkins' poor performance, may be the #1 CB on some boards.

- Joe Burnett, CB: Being branded "best value" by Mayock can't hurt.

- Donald Washington, CB: A 45" vertical will get some people's attention and move him up.

- Louis Delmas, S. Weighed in a bit heftier than thought at 202#, Really looked the part. Interviewed well.

- Patrick Chung, S.

- David Bruton, S. Good size/speed/agility numbers.

- Stephen Hodge, S. Impressive size/speed.

- Chip Vaughn, S. Moved into round 3 territory.

Fallers:

- Andre Smith, WR. Obvious.

- Michael Crabtree, WR. May not have fallen far, but being shorter than imagined and having a stress fracture can only hurt his stock.

- Derrick Williams, WR.

- Jaison Williams, WR.

- Josh Freeman, QB: nice physical specimen, but no accuracy. I hope someone like the Jets jumps on him, but he didn't look good at all.

- Shawn Green, RB: Big lumbering truck. A load, but little speed/agility.

- LeSean McCoy RB: Missed a big opportunity to look good given how poorly all the other RBs looked.

- Everett Brown, DE/OLB: measured in at 6' 1 1/2", awfully short for a DE or even a 3-4 OLB. His 4.73 was not exceptional. Hard to see one of the top 11 jumping at a 6' 1/12" DE/LB with 4.73 speed. Didn't run the short shuttle or 3-cone, which leaves big questions about his agility as an OLB.

- Rey Maualuga, ILB: Slow and lacking power. Injury may have had something to do with it, but he comes across as nonchalant and unfocused.

- James Laurinaitis, ILB: Slow and unimpressive. Didn't stand out at all.

- DJ Moore, CB: Ran a 4.54 40, measured in at shorter than expected (5' 8 7/8") and didn't look particular smooth; almost fell while flipping from his backpedal. Looked like he was forcing it.

- Coye Francies, CB: No more 1st round hype.

- Dominique Johnson: Unimpressive all-around.

- Kevin Ellison, S. 4.85, and poor agility. Looks like a LB.

- Nic Harris, S. See Kevin Ellison.

- Emmanuel Cook, S. Unimpressive in every facet.

Question Marks:

- Jeremy Maclin, WR. Didn't show tremendous speed, but no one seems to think he fell.

- Percy Harvin, WR. Not sure how he came out of all this.

- Brandon Pettigrew, TE. Slow, but not sure it will hurt him much.

- Aaron Maybin, DE/OLB: His 4.78 was slower than anticipated, but we weighed in at 249# and looked good in agility drills, showing nice ability to play in space and go to the ball.

- Brian Cushing, LB: Not the workout warrior some predicted, didn't look as good as Matthews, but better than Laurinaitis or Maualuga.

- William Moore, S: Weight down to 221#, his 4.53 wasn't bad and he looked better in drills than in the Senior Bowl. But he didn't look like a 1st round pick, nor as smooth as Delmas or Patrick Chung.

- Malcolm Jenkins, CB. Obvious.

- Alphonso Smith, CB: His 5'9" height was better than DJ Moore, but his 4.50 wasn't great, and the drills didn't really show off his ball skills. Interviewed well.

- Sean Smith, CB/S: His height, weight and 40 time were impressive. Looked reasonable in drills. But didn't run a short shuttle or 3-cone, leaving me to question his agility a bit.

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Now that's ^ an impressive list! lol

but one question...

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that's a big boy, but can he run a fade route?
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Brian Manderville TE Norteastern - Local kid from Walpole had his dream shattered before he got started. The reccommendation from the doctors after the physical was that he should retire and never play again. I had him as one of my late round selections for the Patriots. Would love to see the Patriots reach out to him and sign him to work in the scouting department!

Kevin Akins CB Boston College - Ran a pedestrian 4.7 !!! I knew he wasn't a burner and thought with his size he could move to LB. I had him as a late round round sleeper, but he will be lucky to get drafted now.
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Now that's ^ an impressive list! lol

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that's a big boy, but can he run a fade route?
I guess it wasn't so obvious. My understanding is that he's strictly a slot receiver.
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