Deus Irae

As long as it's a dream offseason, where's the part about Brady having Gisele introduce you to a few of her more 'adventurous' friends?

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patman52

my take on the offseason

Patriot Players
Sign Gaffney 2 years 5 Mill
Sign Mike Wright 3 years 10 mil
Extend Wilfork 5 years 35 mill 20 mill bonus
Trade Cassel to the Lions for 2nd rd and 3rd rd pick.

Sign Atogwe 5 years 30 mill, 12 mill bonus

Trade the 3rd (Detroit #65)and a conditional 3rd next year For Carlos Rodgers, if the pats extend Rodgers they get next year's third also.

#23 Clint Sintim
#33 Sean Smith
#48 Hakeem Nicks
#55 Connor Barwin
#87 Rashard Jennings
#97 Brian Manderville

This scenario leaves the pats set at Dline,

The secondary fixed with players in their prime

A rotation of Guyton, Mayo and Sintim at ILB

Barwin learning from Vrabel for a year, with Crable and Redd and Thomas on the outside

Nicks, will be a solid WO in two years when Moss and Gaffney are gone

Jennings will take the place of Jordan and Morris down the road

Manderville I think can be the inline blocker that the pats miss.

mayoclinic

Wilfork for 5y/$35M? I wish. Not even close.

Atogwe for 5y/$30M? Makes the Wilfork deal look even more insulting, and he's not worth it.

I hope we get more for Cassel than a (admittedly high) 2nd and 3rd at this point, but we'll see.

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patman52

Wilfork is scheduled to make 2 mill this year, so it is like giving him a 4 year contract for 8.25 mill a year. and he will be 32 when the contract ends, leaving him in postion for another payday. The way the contract is structured being for all intents 100% guarnateed as it would be more expensive to cut him than keep him until the last year.

The franshise tag amount for a DT is 6.1mill your giving him and extension paying him 25% more than the tag amount and guaranteeing him to get 23 mill without taking a chance on an injury. how you consider that insulting I cant fathom. Insulting is having it be a 6 year contract for 60 mill and having the last two years salary 12 mill a piece. When he is 32 and knows he wont see it.

Atogwe deal only averages a signing bonus of 2.5 a year over the 5 years, 1/2 of the amount going to Wilfork and only 1/3 of the contract being being a bonus not the 60% that is wilfork.

DaBruinz

A few things.

1) Your saying it would be 4 years at 8.25 million isn't accurate. By your math, it would actually be 4 years at 8.75 million. However, the Pats way of business requires that the final year of the rookie contract stays in place. So, in your scenario, you are adding 4 million in new cap money to this year with Wilfork pocketing 20 million. But only being paid 15 million over the next 4 years. I just don't see that happening. It could, but I doubt it.

2) Why sign Otogwe AND trade for Rogers? The Pats have 4 young corners on the team in Wilhite, Wheatley, Hobbs and Richardson. Granted, Hobbs is a free agent next year, but you would be limiting the growth of two of your promising young corners.

3) Why keep Gaffney if you are brining in Nicks?

4) I'm not sure how you think the Pats would be set at D-line when Seymour, Green and Smith are all UFA next year.

5) Both Jennings and Barwin are solid 2nd round picks. Yet you have then both falling into the 3rd round. Any reasoning?

6) I think you over-value Rogers and undervalue Cassel.

The_Riddler

Why are people thinking we need to upgrade the CB's ? When in fact we need an edge rushing stand up OLB and a stud SS much more than a DB. Like DaBruinz said, we have young DB's and you want those 3 as your core starters next season (Hobbs/Wilhite/Wheatley) and you want them to play you don't want a vet hindering their growth. Sure you can draft another young corner to groom, but we don't need Rogers.

Ditto with wideout. I would re-up Gaff as you're suggesting, enough of these one year deals, let's lock Gaff up for 2 + atleast. He's shown that in this system with Brady, he's very, very valuable.

Dream scenario for Cassel, actually Felger mentioned this on the ride in and I think it's great:

Cassel to SF where we swap picks in R1 and R2 and grab an 2010 R2 from SF, we move up 13 spots in each Round. SF is happy, they get Cassel and still keep a R1 and R2 and give up an R2 in 2010. We would guarantee ourselves our pick of one of the following at 10 overall:

(Michael Oher, Orakpo, Everett Brown, Rey Maualuga, Malcolm Jenkins)

This puts us in our drafting 'sweet spot' just like last year with Mayo. Out of the Top 9 gtd-dollars, gives us an instant starting stud (OT/CB/OLB/ILB) and a great shot at a great safety with one of our 2-High-R2's (which could also be trade up material). It works for SF, it works for us and........we still have the SF #2 in 2010 which by all accounts will be very high in the round.

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Hey Rex have you met our new Tightends? Say Hi to Aaron and Gronk !

Box_O_Rocks

I thought NE had a stud SS, drafted 24th overall if memory serves?

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dryheat44

Interesting news out of Detroit, where Leigh Bodden will be cut. He was bad this year, but in Cleveland I thought he was one of the top 5 CBs in the game. It could be a very nice consolation prize for significantly less money than Asomugha.

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VJCPatriot

Why would the Pats pay TWO 3rd round picks for the Redskins' sloppy seconds?? They are trying to get rid of Rogers for a reason. He failed in their system. It's like offering TWO 3rd rounders for Bethel Johnson. A waste of picks. I'd rather draft young players with those picks and take my chances with the Pats personnel department's ability to pick good players.

Agreed we don't need Rogers. But because he's overrated, not because we don't need a CB. There hasn't been a legit #1 starting CB on the Pats since Asante left. Hobbs is no more than a journeyman #2. If we can get someone good to compete for the #1 CB job, the depth of our CBs improves across the board, because that bumps everyone else down a spot. Safety is a big need as well, however it looks like the safeties in this year's draft only grade out to round 2 talents. Free agency might be the best way to address this need.

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nickw308810

Thank you to everyone who responded to my offseason, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I'll try to respond to everyone's comments.

I'll start with Julius Peppers. I think the Panthers will franchise him and look at trade options, though they most likely will want to keep him. Since they don't have a first round pick, I could see a deal where we trade Cassel to say the Vikings or Lions for their first and move that pick to the Panthers for Peppers. I believe Peppers is a special player who has the athleticism to be something we have never even imagined in our system. Outside of his obvious pass rushing skills, he has the ability to drop back in coverage and speed to just bring havoc all day to the opposition.

Because of the addition of Peppers and the resigning of some of our own players, I didn't think we would have the cap room to add a veteran CB such as Jabari Greer.

As far as some of the draft projections, as I said in the beginning, I had a few players slide a little bit, but I do think that is how it could go down in April.

It seems that the FS/CB tweener player always seems to slide a bit (ala Jimmy Williams) and I think Sean Smith could see a similiar tumble on draft day. This pick was also the reason I didn't give us a 5th rounder, because I think we would use it to trade up a few spots.

Percy Harvin is a player that I believe helps keep our offense special. He has the deep speed to stretch the field opposite of Moss and would be lethal catching screens. I also believe that he has the strength to line up in the backfield and take a few carries.

The same reasons I like James Casey are the reasons I think he could fall some. He didn't line up that often as a traditional TE at Rice, almost an H-Back role, and would be a conversion project of sorts. I think he could end up being the player that ends Heath Evans time on the roster because of his ability to line up in the backfield.

As far as Brian Toal goes, and this is going to sound weird, but his injury was part of the reason I included him in the draft. I think that with the number of picks we have, it will be hard for a 7th rounder to make the team. Of course it is possible, we seem to usually have a UDFA surprise us and be a contributor as well, but for any player it will be a battle. If Toal sits out the year on IR, gets healthy and bulks up, that he could be a very good NFL player. He was one of the top recruits out of high school and when he was on the field at BC was very productive. Also he has the versatility to play rb/fb if absolutely necessary. Maybe he never is able to stay healthy, but I believe his upside is worth the risk in the 7th round.